Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
- fledersau
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
I allow myself to give my 2cents on this topic.
I'm just back from a 4 day trip on my XPlore setup (Rossignol XP12 boot on Ingstads) and while in generally i prefer XPlore for my tipe of sking compared to what i had last winter (NNN BC Rossignol X7 on Madshus Panoramas M62), i thought to myself quite often during this tour that the NNN BC setup was a little more comfortable to walk. i had the impression to roll my foot a little more which resulted in a more natural walking movement. I think aswell the point where you crush the ski when you have to is a little bit different.
But already after 6 full days of use, i feel that the sole of the boot is starting to give a really nice pivot point when walking and i think, after a few more days, it will be quite close to my soft NNN BC setup i had before (kick and glide wise) while being extremely better on the downhills.
I'm just back from a 4 day trip on my XPlore setup (Rossignol XP12 boot on Ingstads) and while in generally i prefer XPlore for my tipe of sking compared to what i had last winter (NNN BC Rossignol X7 on Madshus Panoramas M62), i thought to myself quite often during this tour that the NNN BC setup was a little more comfortable to walk. i had the impression to roll my foot a little more which resulted in a more natural walking movement. I think aswell the point where you crush the ski when you have to is a little bit different.
But already after 6 full days of use, i feel that the sole of the boot is starting to give a really nice pivot point when walking and i think, after a few more days, it will be quite close to my soft NNN BC setup i had before (kick and glide wise) while being extremely better on the downhills.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
Like the newest Asnes ski? LOL
I’m being a smart ass here, but I couldn’t count the number of rat traps mounted to the newest cutting edge skis if I tried. So I’m not sure how far the “roots” analogy carries.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
Smart-assery on the internet is sometimes hard to get, especially for those as dense as I.lowangle al wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:05 pmI would like to apologize also. I too was being a smart ass.mca80 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:19 pmI was just being a smartass, sorry.lowangle al wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:06 pm
I think that was concluded in another thread. The cable creates the force, the bof transmits it to the ski and the ski edge transmits it to the snow. I think that's all you need to know about it.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
That was a good workout, but why didn't you stick around and practice some turns when you were done?GrimSurfer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:01 pmOk. I lied. It was 9.54k. The 1:21 was actually 1:15 though because I activate my programme when I get to the trailhead (takes a few minutes to clip in, sort myself out).
The trail is minutes from my house.
And yeah, look at the heart rate. I hustle. Not a sight seeing/photo op. I’m out there to lay some tracks down.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
Bald hills. Freezing rain. This season sucks.lowangle al wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:12 pmThat was a good workout, but why didn't you stick around and practice some turns when you were done?GrimSurfer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:01 pmOk. I lied. It was 9.54k. The 1:21 was actually 1:15 though because I activate my programme when I get to the trailhead (takes a few minutes to clip in, sort myself out).
The trail is minutes from my house.
And yeah, look at the heart rate. I hustle. Not a sight seeing/photo op. I’m out there to lay some tracks down.
We dreamed of riding waves of air, water, snow, and energy for centuries. When the conditions were right, the things we needed to achieve this came into being. Every idea man has ever had up to that point about time and space were changed. And it keeps on changing whenever we dream. Bio mechanical jazz, man.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
Learning on nnnbc leathers and Nansens is at least a bit more traditional than plastic buckles on vectors.GrimSurfer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:10 pmLike the newest Asnes ski? LOL
I’m being a smart ass here, but I couldn’t count the number of rat traps mounted to the newest cutting edge skis if I tried. So I’m not sure how far the “roots” analogy carries.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
I'll use an emoji next time.mca80 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:11 pmSmart-assery on the internet is sometimes hard to get, especially for those as dense as I.lowangle al wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:05 pmI would like to apologize also. I too was being a smart ass.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
I'll buy that.GrimSurfer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:14 pmBald hills. Freezing rain. This season sucks.lowangle al wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:12 pmThat was a good workout, but why didn't you stick around and practice some turns when you were done?GrimSurfer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:01 pmOk. I lied. It was 9.54k. The 1:21 was actually 1:15 though because I activate my programme when I get to the trailhead (takes a few minutes to clip in, sort myself out).
The trail is minutes from my house.
And yeah, look at the heart rate. I hustle. Not a sight seeing/photo op. I’m out there to lay some tracks down.
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Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
I don't understand those either!lowangle al wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:15 pmI'll use an emoji next time.mca80 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:11 pmSmart-assery on the internet is sometimes hard to get, especially for those as dense as I.lowangle al wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:05 pm
I would like to apologize also. I too was being a smart ass.
Re: Xplore & the advantages of stiff stole for XC
Good input man! What sort of skiing do you do? In broad terms?fledersau wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:08 pmI allow myself to give my 2cents on this topic.
I'm just back from a 4 day trip on my XPlore setup (Rossignol XP12 boot on Ingstads) and while in generally i prefer XPlore for my tipe of sking compared to what i had last winter (NNN BC Rossignol X7 on Madshus Panoramas M62), i thought to myself quite often during this tour that the NNN BC setup was a little more comfortable to walk. i had the impression to roll my foot a little more which resulted in a more natural walking movement. I think aswell the point where you crush the ski when you have to is a little bit different.
But already after 6 full days of use, i feel that the sole of the boot is starting to give a really nice pivot point when walking and i think, after a few more days, it will be quite close to my soft NNN BC setup i had before (kick and glide wise) while being extremely better on the downhills.
And by walking, I suppose you mean with skis on?
This jibes pretty well with what Lilcliffy has said about breaking in the shoes. And conversely, that nnn-bc tends to become very sloppy over time when they are just perfect out of the box (has happened to my Crispi Stetinds).
Cool to hear that not only Alpina but also Rossignol seemed to nail the bellow breaking point. Gonna be interesting to start getting reports on the other brands with respect to this (Fischer, Madshus, and for me personally especially Lundhags)