breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by bgregoire » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:27 pm

fisheater wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:34 pm
Woodserson wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:27 pm
Eärendil wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:03 pm
As some already have said , in cold temperatures heavier knit cotton anoraks work well balancing wind resistance and moisture management. I prefer to have wool baselayer and, if needed microfleece midlayer. For some reason I get more cold flashes with synthetics baselayer.

Fjällräven and other polyester/cotton jackets are fine, but there is something about an old school full cotton anorak that just feels right when backcountry skiing.

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//Rickard//
But where do you find such an item!?
Woods how about this?

https://www.etsy.com/listing/903131005/ ... ic=1&pro=1
Don't buy that. Its a fake. The cotton knit is not tight enough. It is probably still possible to buy these used swedish army anoraks from army surplus stores in Sweden. Problem is it will be hard to find the proper size and maybe even harder still for you to adapt to its squarish fit on your daily afternoon high intensity stride. I bought a few pair online in 2013 as I got ready for my Laponia trip. They are a cool kit and do the job, but these are survival apparel. Might not be worth the trouble. I would recommed to a amateur survivalist before I would to your guys.

PS: we ended up with the Klattermusen Rimfaxe (on sale, so lucky) and a Fjallraven Gutulia anorak for our trip.

O, and I still feel the Fjallraven Keb, one size larger the normal, is one of the best nordic BC ski jackets one can get. The storm hood is a GREAT plus.
I live for the Telemark arc....The feeeeeeel.....I ski miles to get to a place where there is guaranteed snow to do the deal....TM

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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by Woodserson » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:34 pm

bgregoire wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:27 pm

O, and I still feel the Fjallraven Keb, one size larger the normal, is one of the best nordic BC ski jackets one can get. The storm hood is a GREAT plus.
There it is!



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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by bgregoire » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:17 am

@Woodserson. Yes there it is! You guys know how to get me going. Anyone elso out there ski with the Keb?
I live for the Telemark arc....The feeeeeeel.....I ski miles to get to a place where there is guaranteed snow to do the deal....TM



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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by UPski231 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:41 pm

I have been using the Black Diamond First Light Hybrid Hoody and have been impressed during this cold spell. Seems to ditch the heat well while the shell blocks the wind and has good insulation. I am doing mostly touring and burn hot.



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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by Eärendil » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:33 pm

Woodserson wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:27 pm
Eärendil wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:03 pm
As some already have said , in cold temperatures heavier knit cotton anoraks work well balancing wind resistance and moisture management. I prefer to have wool baselayer and, if needed microfleece midlayer. For some reason I get more cold flashes with synthetics baselayer.

Fjällräven and other polyester/cotton jackets are fine, but there is something about an old school full cotton anorak that just feels right when backcountry skiing.

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//Rickard//
But where do you find such an item!?
My anorak is the m/1934 Skier anorak as commissioned by the Swedish Army pre-WW2. The anorak was primarily used by our Mountain ranger battalions. During my service in early 90-ies we used a later model, fully buttoned and in a polycotton mix. That one seems to be quite widespread i in surplus stores.

The older full cotton Skier anorak just feels more timeless. It can be found here, although I don’t know about shipping overseas.

https://www.flobyoverskottslager.se/pro ... 8806817889

Caveat, modern Ventile or ETA-proof anoraks like Rimfaxe are definetely more tight knit and windproof than the m/1934.

//Rickard//



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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by Eärendil » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:52 pm

fisheater wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:31 pm
I don’t know Woods, but it is cool!
Hey Rickard, are those skiing huts???
Hej Fisheater,
Not ski huts. These are barns that belong to the Erstavik estate close to where we live outside Stockholm. Very nice location overlooking an inlet to the Baltic ocean. I was actually thinking that it would be a great place to open up as a Café serving waffles to hungry skiers!

//Rickard//



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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by lowangle al » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:55 pm

Eärendil wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:52 pm
fisheater wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:31 pm
I don’t know Woods, but it is cool!
Hey Rickard, are those skiing huts???
Hej Fisheater,
Not ski huts. These are barns that belong to the Erstavik estate close to where we live outside Stockholm. Very nice location overlooking an inlet to the Baltic ocean. I was actually thinking that it would be a great place to open up as a Café serving waffles to hungry skiers!

//Rickard//
Will you be serving abelskivers?



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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by bauerb » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:32 pm

years ago when my kids were little, I bought an abelskivers pan and would make them for the kids. they loved them stuffed with cinnamon and sugar apples. these days I make myself brioche Belgian waffles with pearl sugar as a reward for very long runs. I also eat waffles during Ultras. I love waffles. btw, once you've had waffles made with pearl sugar, nothing else will do.



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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by Eärendil » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:39 pm

lowangle al wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:55 pm
Eärendil wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:52 pm
fisheater wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:31 pm
I don’t know Woods, but it is cool!
Hey Rickard, are those skiing huts???
Hej Fisheater,
Not ski huts. These are barns that belong to the Erstavik estate close to where we live outside Stockholm. Very nice location overlooking an inlet to the Baltic ocean. I was actually thinking that it would be a great place to open up as a Café serving waffles to hungry skiers!

//Rickard//
Will you be serving abelskivers?
:mrgreen: Aebelskivers are delicious. Very popular in Denmark. In Sweden and Norway we like waffles like this, preferably with cloudberry jam and cream.

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//Rickard//
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Re: breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

Post by lilcliffy » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:46 pm

I cannot recommend much when it comes to a shell...

My experience working and playing in the wilderness for some time-
Any jacket that truly keeps one dry- does not breathe...

Unless I am standing around in a downpour- or standing out exposed to a cold wind- I keep my shell in my pack.

I ski tour in trim-fitting merino wool one piece base layer.
I wear breathable "soft-shell" pants-
Cheap light field-work shirt over top-
All of which dry quickly- even under layers and in a sleeping bag.
I regularly ski in ambient temperatures down to -30C.

I carry in my pack- quick to throw on-
- a trim, very ight soft shell jacket
- a light rain/wind jacket
- an ultalight down jacket- that will fit over everything- or under the rain jacket
- light insulated bibs that will fit over my touring pants
- overboots that will fit over my ski boots + gaiters

I always wear gaiters- both to protect my boots and lower pant legs- and keep out cold.

I take my tuq off at a moment's notice if I am getting too warm.
I carrry a neck warmer/gaiter and a balaclava within easy reach if I need to warm up/trap heat.

I concur- "waterproof-breathable" is BS. But man when you need a waterproof or windproof jacket- man do you need one.

Make sure you got a good base layer.
Always start out a bit coooool.
Have light packable layers to add if needed!

BTW- that wool jacket looks very interesting...
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.



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