Full camber vs rocker/camber

[Andinista]

Full rocker means 0 camber by definition. Where you have one, you don't have the other.

So as you decrease rocker you would have:
Partial rocker means partial camber
0 rocker means full camber?

[MonomarkMark]

Sure. Most of what you say is true @MonomarkMark. But not always. That’s the rub.

Like camber and pressure (true) or pressure and digging a tip in (not true if loosely controlled, crud etc.).

Agree on full rocker etc. Not sure if any or all of the definitions are “universally applicable” by manufacturers tho… Not saying you’re incorrect… just no clear evidence of universal definitions at the design level. Lots of evidence the other way… loose language in ad copy, which is what is published.

Not initamting anything between age and ability, though reaction time, coordination, etc. favors the young. Which explains why practically everyone on the podium is under 30, not over 50. Hard to argue against success in competitive sports.

Here’s the point about a one ski quiver and age tho… young ppl generally don’t make enough money, or have enough of it laying around, to drop $6k on a quiver. So the majority of young ppl are on one set of skis.

The big abusers and conflaters of terms tend to marketing folks as opposed to the people actually designing skis. People in engineering generally are mathematical . I would not equate "loosely controlled" with "lost control", the former suggests skier "responsibility" or concentration, but far from every caught ski tip or edge, or tumble is due to loose control or ski design. Father Time catches up with all, there's no doubt, but skiing is not some issue of continuous competition (except with yourself) and many over 50 ski more smoothly, faster and in far better control than the majority under 30. I could not give you any accurate figures on age groups and number of skis owned.

[Manney]

Interesting you should say that.

[MonomarkMark]

Full rocker means 0 camber by definition. Where you have one, you don't have the other.

So as you decrease rocker you would have:
Partial rocker means partial camber
0 rocker means full camber?

Partial rocker could mean 0 camber/flat, single camber, camber+ , double camber..a contiuum from a flat ski to double.
There's no such thing as 0 rocker, all skis have tips curving upwards. Tails can be basically flat, or not.
There's no "full camber" so there cannot be "0 rocker"..If there were 0 rocker your ski tip (and maybe tail) would be stuck straight down in the snow

[MonomarkMark]

Oldest skis ever found.
No shortage of rocker and splay!!
Rocker is fundamental to skis irrespective of marketing gimmicks.

[Manney]

You should write an article for the forum Knowledge Base. Lay everything out, include external links, diagrams etc.

[MonomarkMark]

Interesting you should say that.

Anecdotal. I don't have an age axe to grind. I do see all sorts of athletic stuff going on twin tips, but a lot of it is just flailing and outta control.
People ski with multiple motivations..exercise, being outdoors, meeting up with ski friends, seeing new places on ski vaca., long list.
Not mine or anyone else's bsns to tell others what to set for goals in their skiing. my guess is the XC crowd probably focuses more on cardio etc than dedicated alpine or Telemark skiers. Most xc skiers are pretty weak alpine skiers but certainly not all.

[Manney]

So cool tho.

You really should write a long piece. Lots of interesting thoughts. Feel this is just barely scratching the surface…

Or add onto this one, which others have…

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1721

[MonomarkMark]

Of course, being fair to the earn-it crowd, nothing gets the heart going faster than skinning up steeps..Well, trying to do the same with grip wax or scales will too as you flail and slide back 2 steps for ever single trudge forward
In any case, if you want cardio and overall fitness, slap on the skins and go.
BTW, skates and traditional track skis can be a lot of fun at the Nordic centers.

[Manney]

Nothing in the Knowledge Base about skins either… you could write a dedicated piece for that.

Always lots of Qs on skins… lengths, widths, materials, glide, grip, cleaning, waxing, re-glueing, modifying, conditioning.

Could you do that? It would be a great help…