wind chill factor

[randoskier]

I thought for sure that this thread would have died in my sleep, but no, I woke up and it's still alive.

No you are just having a bad dream

[Crayefish]

Wind Chill Factor is total bullshit, I have never seen this "stat" or "heat index" outside of the USA. Wind chill is an exaggeration to sell papers or click bait. How cold you "feel" in wind is a total BS stat". Heat Index is just as stupid and deployed for the same reason- to titillate Americans. That said it was fucking cold on Mt Washington yesterday!

Have you left the USA at all by any chance?

I hate to burst the bubble but they are both widely used terms around the world. Its definitely fair that windchill is a variable thing based on clothing etc but it's a genuine phenomenon and has real world relevance, even if its not an absolute measurement for real world applications (i.e. with clothing).

Heat index, on the other hand, is a very precise scale that is irrelevant to human factors (I.e. clothing)... its simply temperature and humidity, both of which have a direct effect on the human body's ability to cool down. I work in the middle east where the heat index can hit the 70s! (Deg C)

Here, where its very humid (100% humidity at night in the summer) every company, including mine (one of the largest in the world) uses heat index to monitor the safety of the workers. Temperature is an irrelevant stat here and has no helpful meaning for people working outside in coveralls. Heat index is everything and I have the onsite doctors take direct heat index measurements all round the work site every hour and base the work/rest schedules off of it. If the heat index hits 54 deg C, I shut down all non critical work.

A fellow New Yorker sorts out heat index- https://www.gawker.com/the-heat-index-m ... -839576591

Really? A random NY journalist for a fringe publication verses the scientific methods of the biggest industry in the entire world... I look forward to your next thread on the flat earth theory!

[randoskier]

Have you left the USA at all by any chance?

I hate to burst the bubble but they are both widely used terms around the world. Its definitely fair that windchill is a variable thing based on clothing etc but it's a genuine phenomenon and has real world relevance, even if its not an absolute measurement for real world applications (i.e. with clothing).

Heat index, on the other hand, is a very precise scale that is irrelevant to human factors (I.e. clothing)... its simply temperature and humidity, both of which have a direct effect on the human body's ability to cool down. I work in the middle east where the heat index can hit the 70s! (Deg C)

Here, where its very humid (100% humidity at night in the summer) every company, including mine (one of the largest in the world) uses heat index to monitor the safety of the workers. Temperature is an irrelevant stat here and has no helpful meaning for people working outside in coveralls. Heat index is everything and I have the onsite doctors take direct heat index measurements all round the work site every hour and base the work/rest schedules off of it. If the heat index hits 54 deg C, I shut down all non critical work.

A fellow New Yorker sorts out heat index- https://www.gawker.com/the-heat-index-m ... -839576591

Really? A random NY journalist for a fringe publication verses the scientific methods of the biggest industry in the entire world... I look forward to your next thread on the flat earth theory!

It sounds like the "biggest company in the world" got stitched up by the biggest unions in the world. Who do you work for anyway? Gaz Prom? Heat index is wildly inaccurate- it does not account for the variance in human metabolisms and geographical acclimation. You being from a flat/low altitude, crowded, rainy little country will get much hotter in southern Italy than a native Sicilian will, and hotter still in Sudan than a Sudanese will. Yet the heat index will be the same in all three places. BTW World Company is #1

[mca80]

Heat index is wildly inaccurate- it does not account for the variance in human metabolisms and geographical acclimation. You being from a flat/low altitude, crowded, rainy little country will get much hotter in southern Italy than a native Sicilian will, and hotter still in Sudan than a Sudanese will. Yet the heat index will be the same in all three places.

9 pages of thread, half of it from rando, and this is the first good point. I remember seeing a David Attenborough documentary years ago in which they had found some tribe in the jungle that had not had contact with civilization ever. They had evolved to not produce sweat, as in such a humid climate sweating would be useless. Take that same tribe and throw them in the desert and they would likely have a hell of a time. Of course I would say it's obvious the Sicillian race...er sorry, ethnicity...is more attuned for life in Sicily than the Norwegian r...ethnicity. But while there ARE all these variables and a metric like heat index is not perfect that doesn't make it completely worthless. From a personal perspective, 110F in El Paso with 12% humidity is less horrendous than 95F in Tulsa with 85% humidity. I think my dog felt the same. So in this case heat index imparted some form of utility. I'm not sure what you mean by heat index being the same in all 3 different listed locations.

[randoskier]

Heat index is wildly inaccurate- it does not account for the variance in human metabolisms and geographical acclimation. You being from a flat/low altitude, crowded, rainy little country will get much hotter in southern Italy than a native Sicilian will, and hotter still in Sudan than a Sudanese will. Yet the heat index will be the same in all three places.

9 pages of thread, half of it from rando, and this is the first good point. I remember seeing a David Attenborough documentary years ago in which they had found some tribe in the jungle that had not had contact with civilization ever. They had evolved to not produce sweat, as in such a humid climate sweating would be useless. Take that same tribe and throw them in the desert and they would likely have a hell of a time. Of course I would say it's obvious the Sicillian race...er sorry, ethnicity...is more attuned for life in Sicily than the Norwegian r...ethnicity. But while there ARE all these variables and a metric like heat index is not perfect that doesn't make it completely worthless. From a personal perspective, 110F in El Paso with 12% humidity is less horrendous than 95F in Tulsa with 85% humidity. I think my dog felt the same. So in this case heat index imparted some form of utility. I'm not sure what you mean by heat index being the same in all 3 different listed locations.

Heat index being the same- I was referring to the fact that they will calculate heat index based on the metabolism and ability to deal with heat as being equal in all three places when it is obviously not, it is also different based on morphology and may other unaccounted for variable. It is not adjusted to regional metabolisms and acclimation. David Attenborough is a treasure. I would not worry about the length of the thread, we are not wasting paper and anyone can change the channel anytime or hit the ignore button. BTW the race of the "Norwegians", that I believe you are referring to, is the "North Germanic People" that encompasses several ethnicities and nationalities. Keep in mind a lot of Norwegians in Ålesund and the other stockfish ports in the Western fjords have brown eyes, their klippfisch have been traded to Portugal and Spain for hundreds of years, coincidence?

[randoskier]

A fellow New Yorker sorts out heat index- https://www.gawker.com/the-heat-index-m ... -839576591
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Really? A random NY journalist for a fringe publication verses the scientific methods of the biggest industry in the entire world... I look forward to your next thread on the flat earth theory!
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LOL@ the "scientific methods of the biggest industry in the entire world". You work for Royal Dutch Shell one of the main deniers and liars concerning man-made climate change which is largely fueled by your industry (so much for their scientific method). Shell also has an appalling reputation of labor abuse in several third world operations and those abuses have a well documented paper-trail leading straight to the executives in the Hague. So yes I would go with the NY journalist.

Shell is a disgrace (is the respected British paper The Guardian also a fringe publication in your view?)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... e-warnings

Shell contract workers in Nigeria have larger problems with their employer than the "heat index"
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press ... d-torture/

[mca80]

Your jet-setting would not be possible without these evil companies and the consequent climate change. Maybe give that a thought.

[randoskier]

Your jet-setting would not be possible without these evil companies and the consequent climate change. Maybe give that a thought.

It would indeed be possible as large commercial aircraft would have electric propulsion by now. I know now you are now going to say- "Well how do you make that electricity?" Nuclear power, and wind (hydro-power on rivers is very destructive).

Planes like this would have evolved faster if companies such as Exxon and RD Shell had been honest about the environmental damage fossil fuels are causing the environment and that they were well aware of- instead they hid their data and lobbied in the other direction.
https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/ze ... ht/e-fan-x

Shell's behavior is inexcusable in both instances (hiding their environmental data and their barbaric treatment of workers) and neither instance is isolated or necessary, even in their dirty industry.

[bauerb]

and did you know that in the 50's when the benefits of fluoride were discovered, public works proposed adding enough fluoride to the municipal water supply to eliminate cavities, but the very powerful dentists unions prevented that from happening, and today, people still have cavities. just thought you should know...and that is why we don't having flying electric cars that recharge via solar flares. I'm also pretty sure that I saw on Reddit that a Hyperloop was proposed to ease the traffic in Utah ski resorts, but those damn dentist unions also got that proposal squashed. the only way to combat these powerful dentist unions is by subjecting them to Psychological Wind-Chill, since the "real" thing does not exist. PWC is like riding in the back of a pickup truck on the highway, only there is no truck and no highway, other than that its the same.

( just doing my part to keep propagating nonsense in this thread)

[mca80]

@bauerb, I think some may find your post offensive and the ramblings of an Anti-Dentite.