So if I want to make them lighter I need to grab them in the middle?
Physics debate
- lowangle al
- Posts: 2752
- Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:36 pm
- Location: Pocono Mts / Chugach Mts
- Ski style: BC with focus on downhill perfection
- Favorite Skis: powder skis
- Favorite boots: Scarpa T4
- Occupation: Retired cement mason. Current job is to take my recreation as serious as I did my past employment.
Re: Physics debate
Re: Physics debate
correct. either hold your poles in the center or only use very short poles. but if you want to reduce the coefficient of drag on your poles, you can: 1) only ski at very high altitudes 2) hammer the shafts into ovals
- lowangle al
- Posts: 2752
- Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:36 pm
- Location: Pocono Mts / Chugach Mts
- Ski style: BC with focus on downhill perfection
- Favorite Skis: powder skis
- Favorite boots: Scarpa T4
- Occupation: Retired cement mason. Current job is to take my recreation as serious as I did my past employment.
Re: Physics debate
The last thing I remember being posted by our moderator is that he was giving up social media or the internet, so I wouldn't expect anything there. I don't think things got too out of control and have moderated on their own. I don't have any ill feelings towards anyone and hope the grimsurfer sticks around.
- Stephen
- Posts: 1485
- Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:49 am
- Location: PNW USA
- Ski style: Aspirational
- Favorite Skis: Armada Tracer 118 (195), Gamme (210), Ingstad (205), Objective BC (178)
- Favorite boots: Alfa Guard Advance, Scarpa TX Pro
- Occupation: Beyond
6’3” / 191cm — 172# / 78kg, size 47 / 30 mondo
Re: Physics debate
Great post!lowangle al wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:08 pmThe last thing I remember being posted by our moderator is that he was giving up social media or the internet, so I wouldn't expect anything there. I don't think things got too out of control and have moderated on their own. I don't have any ill feelings towards anyone and hope the grimsurfer sticks around.
One thing I like about this forum is that there's at least two elements at work.
One is the "Hard" side -- Facts, advice, details, tips, ...
But the other is the "Soft" side -- Social interaction, communication skills, boundaries -- it's basically an adult version of a kindergarten sandbox.
There's a kid in there in all of us.
But, I'm a bit weird, so who knows...
- Stephen
- Posts: 1485
- Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:49 am
- Location: PNW USA
- Ski style: Aspirational
- Favorite Skis: Armada Tracer 118 (195), Gamme (210), Ingstad (205), Objective BC (178)
- Favorite boots: Alfa Guard Advance, Scarpa TX Pro
- Occupation: Beyond
6’3” / 191cm — 172# / 78kg, size 47 / 30 mondo
Re: Physics debate
And while I'm at it, I think discouraging @mikael.oh from remaining active here is our lose.
He was definitely outside the norm, but harmless and his posts interested at least some of us.
I wish him well whatever he is up to.
He was definitely outside the norm, but harmless and his posts interested at least some of us.
I wish him well whatever he is up to.
Re: Physics debate
this forum eats its young. but if you hang around long enough you learn its mostly barking and very little biting.
- GrimSurfer
- Posts: 638
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:56 am
- Ski style: Nordic Backcountry
- Favorite Skis: Yes
- Favorite boots: Uh huh
Re: Physics debate
TBH, I lost a lot of interest after the responses to this post:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5438&start=80#p54762
Folks don’t agree with my views (which were really never mine in the first place) on physics? OK. Fine. I can accept that…
Railing against a request for real world data to be collected by an impartial forum member qualified to collect it seems to be something else altogether.
Over to the OP, @Nitram Tocrut to make sense of all this. I can’t.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5438&start=80#p54762
Folks don’t agree with my views (which were really never mine in the first place) on physics? OK. Fine. I can accept that…
Railing against a request for real world data to be collected by an impartial forum member qualified to collect it seems to be something else altogether.
Over to the OP, @Nitram Tocrut to make sense of all this. I can’t.
We dreamed of riding waves of air, water, snow, and energy for centuries. When the conditions were right, the things we needed to achieve this came into being. Every idea man has ever had up to that point about time and space were changed. And it keeps on changing whenever we dream. Bio mechanical jazz, man.
- Nitram Tocrut
- Posts: 529
- Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:50 pm
- Location: Quebec, Canada
- Ski style: Backyard XC skiing if that is a thing
- Favorite Skis: Sverdrup and MT51
- Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska NNNBC
- Occupation: Organic vegetable grower and many other things!
Re: Physics debate
@GrimSurfer I just wanted to clarify that I was not really the OP. My only goal was to concentrate the discussion in a specific thread and I did not want to take part of this discussion but you mentioned my name many times so I had to intervene I have no intention to judge anyone. You said you lost interest after your request to Tom and I can understand but I personally would not stop participating in that forum for this sole reason. But this is up to you.GrimSurfer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:55 pmTBH, I lost a lot of interest after the responses to this post:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5438&start=80#p54762
Folks don’t agree with my views (which were really never mine in the first place) on physics? OK. Fine. I can accept that…
Railing against a request for real world data to be collected by an impartial forum member qualified to collect it seems to be something else altogether.
Over to the OP, @Nitram Tocrut to make sense of all this. I can’t.
Re: Physics debate
Dont take it the hard way man! I appreciate you, but have just been trying to tell the data has already been collected. Not sure if the message has gotten throughGrimSurfer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:55 pmTBH, I lost a lot of interest after the responses to this post:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5438&start=80#p54762
Folks don’t agree with my views (which were really never mine in the first place) on physics? OK. Fine. I can accept that…
Railing against a request for real world data to be collected by an impartial forum member qualified to collect it seems to be something else altogether.
Over to the OP, @Nitram Tocrut to make sense of all this. I can’t.
Last edited by TheMusher on Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:16 am, edited 2 times in total.
- GrimSurfer
- Posts: 638
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:56 am
- Ski style: Nordic Backcountry
- Favorite Skis: Yes
- Favorite boots: Uh huh
Re: Physics debate
The data hasn’t been collected. Only the pressure at the binding. That’s the only thing Tom measured.TheMusher wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:57 pmDont take it the hard way man! I appreciate you, but have just been trying to tell the data has already been collected. Not sure if the message has gotten throughGrimSurfer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:55 pmTBH, I lost a lot of interest after the responses to this post:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5438&start=80#p54762
Folks don’t agree with my views (which were really never mine in the first place) on physics? OK. Fine. I can accept that…
Railing against a request for real world data to be collected by an impartial forum member qualified to collect it seems to be something else altogether.
Over to the OP, @Nitram Tocrut to make sense of all this. I can’t.
It is conjecture on anyones part what exact pressure will be on the tip. Why? Because the boot binding pivots on the balance point of the ski. The fulcrum is not under the ski.
Once the pressure on the tip is measured, then the same test should be repeated with a skier in the boot and applying pressure to achieve the same ~3” angle. The pressure reading from that test will then confirm whether, indeed, there is a significant pressure difference imposed by a stiffer flexor when subjected to the pressure of a skier’s foot..
There is no legitimate reason for anyone to waive their hands and say all of this has been done. It hasn’t been done.
You, and others have accused me of relying on theory. When I propose a *complete* practical test, you object to that by preferring to invoke closure based on incomplete information.
I simply don’t understand this behaviour. It is childish and obstructionist, serving no practical purpose. It doesn’t advance knowledge of skiing.
We dreamed of riding waves of air, water, snow, and energy for centuries. When the conditions were right, the things we needed to achieve this came into being. Every idea man has ever had up to that point about time and space were changed. And it keeps on changing whenever we dream. Bio mechanical jazz, man.