Fischer Transnordic BOOT

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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by stilltryin » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:51 am

Now that you mention it...
And fore the sake of more data on the subject...

My right boot (BC), outside, centered under the "H", has a roughly thumb-size concavity or small dent. I just found that I can also feel it with my hand inside the boot. Fortunately, I have not felt it with my foot and have not had any issue from it (except now, I'll be paranoid about it!).
The creasing issue over my left small toes has gone away.
I've been using them with Madshus m68 -- works well for me.

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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by Krummholz » Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:24 pm

Seems like everyone has their own special problems. Mine are mostly insole, fixed with aftermarket. Second is where the boot flexes at the hook set back at the notch. When flexed it seems like the plastic shell deforms into my ankle. So I’ll wait for a TransNORDIC thermomolding HOWTO.
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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by jalp » Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:31 am

Krummholz wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:24 pm
Seems like everyone has their own special problems. Mine are mostly insole, fixed with aftermarket. Second is where the boot flexes at the hook set back at the notch. When flexed it seems like the plastic shell deforms into my ankle. So I’ll wait for a TransNORDIC thermomolding HOWTO.
I had the same problem on one boot in that spot. I warmed the area up on the outside with a hair dryer and then pushed the plastic back out with my thumb. I did the same on the other ankle flex points just to be sure that they wouldn't start behaving badly. So far that's been working. Sure seems like I'm having to do a lot of fiddling with these boots. They are comfortable now and ski well, I just hope that they last.



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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by CwmRaider » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:05 pm

Ha, mine were putting pressure on my right "lateral malleolus", the bump sticking out on the outside side of the foot. However my malleolus bump is bigger on my right side than on the left, so I'm not sure that it is the boot's fault.
Using an extra insole raised my bump clear of the pressure point, and resulted in a perfectly comfortable experience.

I do really like the performance of these boots. Very easy to keep my skis on edge, compared to any other non-plastic boot i tried.



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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by Krummholz » Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:01 pm

Krummholz wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:24 pm
Seems like everyone has their own special problems. Mine are mostly insole, fixed with aftermarket. Second is where the boot flexes at the hook set back at the notch. When flexed it seems like the plastic shell deforms into my ankle. So I’ll wait for a TransNORDIC thermomolding HOWTO.
After reading this: https://www.fischersports.com/shoe-technologies
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I think the plan is:
1 - heat boot to 80 C / 176 F in convection oven until meat thermometer placed inside boot
reaches temp. Or use the hot rice in a sock method and heat outside with hair dryer. First boot took 20 min, oven at 80c, second boot took 10 at 105C.
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2 - wear boot
3 - place boot / foot in thick trash bag
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4 - insert shop vac hose in bag at top of boot
5 - place Voile strap / bungie cord around bag, hose, leg
6 - turn on shop vac
7 - wait until all air removed from bag, leave vacuum on.
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8 - place bag, boot, hose in tub of ice water or stand still for 10 min waiting for boot to cool.
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9 - take picture for proof and post
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They do fit better, last picture looks like this would be a trouble spot but it actually fits better.
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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by Krummholz » Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:24 pm

Thermomolding update. I was able to send an hour on the lake doing K&G. A big improvement in fit after molding the boots. No trouble at all with feeling bone against internal plastic in the ankle area. I noticed a little better fit across the width at the balls of the feet and at my arch. So far I’m glad I did it. I’ll be going out in the next day or two for a longer distance.
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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by fisheater » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:51 pm

Nice job! Interesting take on the thermo molding process. I appreciate the ingenuity.
However for me, wearing my Ski March for long dog walks was a lot easier! ;)

For what it’s worth, I’m utilizing my Alaska 75 more and more. Thanks for the update, the Transnordic is the most easily available more downhill oriented leather boot available.



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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by greatgt » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:28 am

Bought an Asolo Snowpine? for two bucks....Not bad but the best is a floppy Merrill that wraps around my foot and calf...Woa....wicked comfort and with light BC skis and bindings....they get the job done....TM



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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by Krummholz » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:38 am

2nd time taking the TransNordic 75 out. Climbed 1300’ in 3 miles through dust on crust, snowshoe track, and chunky crud dropped during the last melt from the pines. Temp was 15F.
Compared to my Alaska’s I could feel more stiffness in the cuff but not so much that i could not get a K&G rhythm going on the flat before the steeper sections. On the steeper sections I was going slower so the stiffer cuff didn’t matter. I didn’t notice any toe pinch unless I was on a knee grabbing a water from my pack. The fit in the ankles was great, glad I tried the thermomolding. Got to the top with the wind coming up and snow, grabbed a quick bite and a drink. Tightened up the laces a little more for the trip down. Once I got back in to the crud I was glad I had the stiffer boots. My S-98s were chattering and getting bumped about when I had to get in the snowshoe track. There are 11 switchbacks and I felt more in control and able to make a few Tele turns as compared to step turns and some stopping, then stepping in to a new direction and taking off again. I had mounted an old phone on the tip of one ski to see if I could see how I was handling the turns. I only got about 8 minutes before one plastic section of the phone mount broke of from the force of the tip bouncing about. I’ve skied this trail a half dozen times or more, this was the worst conditions ever, but other than catching an edge on one turn felt in control the rest of the time.



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Re: Fischer Transnordic BOOT

Post by dave52 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:51 pm

Had the chance to put the NNN BC Transnordics to work in lots of different conditions and on a couple different skis. I went back and forth between the BC Alaska Alpinas trying to get a comparison.

They're wonderful boots! My experience probably echoes what others have previously said about them, but just sharing in case you're on the fence and wanted some extra info. I was undecided in buying these but saw them on sale 40% off and am happy I pulled the trigger. They're still available at this heavy discount too...

NNNBC Transnordics:
https://www.backcountry.com/fischer-bcx ... -boot-2022

75mm Transnordics:
https://www.backcountry.com/fischer-bcx ... -boot-2022

The concerns I had when I first received them and wore them around weren't an issue at all, I didn't blister, notice discomfort, or feel overly rigid whiling striding and climbing; I wore a basic pair of everyday socks single layer, nothing fancy. I wore them as is too, no molding or prior break in. They're big boots that are quite warm, I actually felt a little hot in them a few times, but was also skiing in 45°F weather 😎

The lateral support on these babies is fantastic! With wedge turns, stem christie turns, and parallel turns I really feel like I can lay into the boots, compared to the Alaska Alpinas. I think the slightly higher and more rigid cuff and upper membrane support shines here. This additional stiffness did not interfere with forward flexing while marching along. I still think "fit" and overall "feel" of Alaskas is more comfortable IMO, the ruby slippers just feel so damn comfy, but the Transnordics I wouldn't say are uncomfortable at all either.

As far as tele turns go, comparing the two boots, I'm far from a seasoned expert here, this is my second season with XC and honing my tele's, I'm getting fairly comfortable with the turns, but initial reaction is a liking more for the Alaska Alpina's. I descended down on my Ingstads, switching between both boots on a given outing, and in various conditions over several days (slush, 6" powder over base, and 1" snow over hard hardpack). On the Alaskas, I found it more easy and ergonomical to get onto the ball of my rear foot, and then pressurize and hold this pose. Maybe there's a break in period with the Fischers, IDK, but I feel a touch more clumsy in the tele wearing Transnordics, they're just not as pliable as Alaskas. Don't take my opinion as final word, I'd like to spend some more time evaluating this; others might feel differently, and who knows maybe there's a slight mod to the tele technique in these boots. I learned the tele on and have a lot more time in wearing the Alaskas.

I don't think you can go wrong with either boot though, the Transnordics are more comfortable than I assumed them to be and are probably the more capable boot if you're skiing in tighter backcountry and need the lateral support. Plus our Norwegian friend Norpined his Gammes/Transnordics BCs down steep Alpine runs, pretty awesome! Seems like a lot of potential here.

Would like to hear what others with Transnordics think of their gear too



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