Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by randoskier » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:22 am

mikael.oh wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:16 pm
Slightly off topic, but to me, especially having used these Fischer boots, the new Xplore system just seems like a way for Rottefella to charge rando prices for BC gear.
I have zero regrets buying my BC setup just before the Xplore came to market. Reviews in Norway have been less than stellar across the board from what I've seen, and with my setup, I shred.
Research and development is not free, prototyping is not free, mechanical engineering is not free. Precision manufacturing is not free and operating a company in Norway is certainly not free. Rottafella is not a non-profit entity, companies justly profit from investment in R&D and the resulting innovations. 250 bucks for this binding is a reasonable price. The market will determine the final price- if skiers benefit from the technology they will readily adopt it and plunk down the dosh, if not the price will drop, or it will perish.

Choice is a good thing and Rottafella offers multiple choices in Nordic touring bindings. I am pro-choice.

This review from Norway was pretty stellar- https://braasport.no/blogg/first-test-o ... -off-track

BTW as of yesterday REI has a stock, the missus ordered a pair yesterday. Now if I could just find the Fischer Excursion 88 in 169cm..... anybody?

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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by Lubega6 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:27 pm

Reviving my "old" thread for a question.

I have found a pair of 170 cm (short) Asnes Breikkavik for cheap in my area. These have almost the same sidecut/profile as the Ingstad and I was wondering if these (the Breikkavik) could be a great option for downhill? They obviously don't have metal edges but I've seen people skiing without them in the backcountry (e.g. Rossignol Soul 7 alpine touring skis). They were known to be very easy to manoeuver. I don't own a dog (yet -after my masters degree for sure).

A pair of short Asnes Breiikkaviks for downhill-oriented BC skiing, anyone?

https://www.en.asnes.com/produkt/breidablikk-fjellski/



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by jyw5 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:13 pm

Lubega6 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:27 pm
Reviving my "old" thread for a question.

I have found a pair of 170 cm (short) Asnes Breikkavik for cheap in my area. These have almost the same sidecut/profile as the Ingstad and I was wondering if these (the Breikkavik) could be a great option for downhill? They obviously don't have metal edges but I've seen people skiing without them in the backcountry (e.g. Rossignol Soul 7 alpine touring skis). They were known to be very easy to manoeuver. I don't own a dog (yet -after my masters degree for sure).

A pair of short Asnes Breiikkaviks for downhill-oriented BC skiing, anyone?

https://www.en.asnes.com/produkt/breidablikk-fjellski/
I don't see why not. it would be harder to turn when the snow get icy... but otherwise deeper snow and powder should be fine. i use classic xc skis with nearly no taper and can step turn. The sidecut on these Asnes should carve with just a little extra shifting and sometimes stepping.



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by mikael.oh » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:44 am

jyw5 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:13 pm
Lubega6 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:27 pm
Reviving my "old" thread for a question.

I have found a pair of 170 cm (short) Asnes Breikkavik for cheap in my area. These have almost the same sidecut/profile as the Ingstad and I was wondering if these (the Breikkavik) could be a great option for downhill? They obviously don't have metal edges but I've seen people skiing without them in the backcountry (e.g. Rossignol Soul 7 alpine touring skis). They were known to be very easy to manoeuver. I don't own a dog (yet -after my masters degree for sure).

A pair of short Asnes Breiikkaviks for downhill-oriented BC skiing, anyone?

https://www.en.asnes.com/produkt/breidablikk-fjellski/
I don't see why not. it would be harder to turn when the snow get icy... but otherwise deeper snow and powder should be fine. i use classic xc skis with nearly no taper and can step turn. The sidecut on these Asnes should carve with just a little extra shifting and sometimes stepping.
The orriginal post stated that the he already had 2 other pairs of BC skis and wanted another pair for downhill on hard snow and skiing at ski resorts.
If this is still the case I'd say it's a bad idea to go for Breidablikks without metal edges just because they're cheap. Sell something else instead and go with one of the options recommended earlier in the thread.



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by jyw5 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:08 am

mikael.oh wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:44 am
jyw5 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:13 pm
Lubega6 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:27 pm
Reviving my "old" thread for a question.

I have found a pair of 170 cm (short) Asnes Breikkavik for cheap in my area. These have almost the same sidecut/profile as the Ingstad and I was wondering if these (the Breikkavik) could be a great option for downhill? They obviously don't have metal edges but I've seen people skiing without them in the backcountry (e.g. Rossignol Soul 7 alpine touring skis). They were known to be very easy to manoeuver. I don't own a dog (yet -after my masters degree for sure).

A pair of short Asnes Breiikkaviks for downhill-oriented BC skiing, anyone?

https://www.en.asnes.com/produkt/breidablikk-fjellski/
I don't see why not. it would be harder to turn when the snow get icy... but otherwise deeper snow and powder should be fine. i use classic xc skis with nearly no taper and can step turn. The sidecut on these Asnes should carve with just a little extra shifting and sometimes stepping.
The orriginal post stated that the he already had 2 other pairs of BC skis and wanted another pair for downhill on hard snow and skiing at ski resorts.
If this is still the case I'd say it's a bad idea to go for Breidablikks without metal edges just because they're cheap. Sell something else instead and go with one of the options recommended earlier in the thread.

true. I read the 1st post a while ago. Breidablikks not a short turn radius ski!! you want to ski on hardpacked at the resort, its going to be the Gamme or Nansen (and maybe the Sverdrup) per all the analysis from other threads.



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by Lubega6 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:45 am

Roger that fellas.



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by neekovt » Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:47 am

Good luck in your gear endeavors!

I just got some Transnordic NNN BC boots matched with a S-Bound 98 and loving it. I do not find the boots difficult to kick and glide and they are actually more comfortable than the alpina montana's I had. Seems like a versatile set up. I may transition away from NNN in the future but I am really happy with it now for ease, turning power, and the low angle stuff I am looking to do.

Speaking of NNN-BC Downhill, does anyone have any resources (thread, videos) to share on learning to do XC downhill turns in deeper and steeper snow (parallel and tele)? I am fine making parallel and stem turns on hardpack and groomers but need to learn the pow magic. I know the book Cross Country Downhill is recommended but it's hard to find and costly. Mostly hoping to avoid bad habits in this learning phase.

Thanks!



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by lowangle al » Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:42 am

NATO's 1987 "Telemark Movie" is an excellent instructional video.



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by stilltryin » Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:46 am

neekovt wrote:
Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:47 am
...I am fine making parallel and stem turns on hardpack and groomers but need to learn the pow magic...
For me, the pow magic was a Voile V6.
(I know you were not looking for a gear answer (and the subject is NNN-BC), but sharing my experience FWIW in going from off-trail XC (no pow turns -- straight down or traverse and kick turn) to groomer free-heel turns and now to xcD -- the V6 really opened up the backcountry downhill for me. I know that people who ski better than me can do it with skinny skis -- you might even say the V6 is cheating! Or just magic.)



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Re: Building an NNN-BC "downhill" setup?

Post by neekovt » Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:15 pm

lowangle al wrote:
Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:42 am
NATO's 1987 "Telemark Movie" is an excellent instructional video.
Exactly what I needed, thank you!

Have a great winter everyone.



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