Lack of alpine skis mentioned

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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by jyw5 » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:29 pm

so is he finally booted off this forum after years of grumpiness? I mean, skiing is supposed to be fun... I'm a bit surprised at this. He's like the resident angry skiier.

haha

anyways, I look forward to a spectacular season. I can't decide if I should go narrow or wide for a new setup this season. I feel like wide skis are just heavy. and I ski great on them, but they just arent that fun unless I do something ridiculous that might kill me. Narrow light skis are just fun and keep me from doing something crazy. I'm still sunning in California. Be back next wk, hopefully be on skis again soon.

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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by mountainmaxy » Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:49 am

I vote for wide, obviously. Yeah, wide skis can suck on super firm groomers or overall bullet proof conditions but i would hate to be on a narrower ski and not be able to skirt off piste to grab a little stash.



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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by mountainmaxy » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:00 am

Also, looking at new boots. Have scott voodoos, used to ride garmont energes. Would the scarpa t1 be comparable regarding flex, performance and foot shape/width. Any sizing quirks to be aware of? Thanks for the comments!



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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by Montana St Alum » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:51 am

jyw5 wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:29 pm
I can't decide if I should go narrow or wide for a new setup this season. I feel like wide skis are just heavy. and I ski great on them, but they just arent that fun unless I do something ridiculous that might kill me. Narrow light skis are just fun and keep me from doing something crazy.
What do you consider narrow, and what do you consider wide. There are skis in a mid-width that work pretty well in multiple conditions.
Also do you need light skis for touring?
Designed mounting point has more of an effect, for me, in affecting a ski's playfulness.

One of the skis in my quiver is the Blizzard Rustler 9. The mounting point is closer to center, so rotationally, it's pretty quick (if that's important to you). Because it's rockered front and back, the tail releases easily with a shorter effective ski length on piste, while providing pretty good flotation in deeper snow as the full length is engaged. It's stiff enough to punch through mixed conditions and at 92 underfoot, it's fine in bumps as it's quick edge-to-edge. There are quite a few skis that fit the bill in this category.

If you're skiing California, I'd think that would be a good general design.



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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by jyw5 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:56 am

Montana St Alum wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:51 am
jyw5 wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:29 pm
I can't decide if I should go narrow or wide for a new setup this season. I feel like wide skis are just heavy. and I ski great on them, but they just arent that fun unless I do something ridiculous that might kill me. Narrow light skis are just fun and keep me from doing something crazy.
What do you consider narrow, and what do you consider wide. There are skis in a mid-width that work pretty well in multiple conditions.
Also do you need light skis for touring?
Designed mounting point has more of an effect, for me, in affecting a ski's playfulness.

One of the skis in my quiver is the Blizzard Rustler 9. The mounting point is closer to center, so rotationally, it's pretty quick (if that's important to you). Because it's rockered front and back, the tail releases easily with a shorter effective ski length on piste, while providing pretty good flotation in deeper snow as the full length is engaged. It's stiff enough to punch through mixed conditions and at 92 underfoot, it's fine in bumps as it's quick edge-to-edge. There are quite a few skis that fit the bill in this category.

If you're skiing California, I'd think that would be a good general design.
I'm only visiting CA. generally do my skiing in Alaska. Narrow skis are anything under 68. My "wide" skis are 94 and 110. I think thats why the S112 at 78 underfoot is my all purpose xcd...the midweight, mid width is just right. Alaska has mixed variable conditions. It can also be bottomless snow and/or very deep heavy snow depending on the time/place. So its always tough to decide what is right for the winter. Skiing in the late spring and summer are great as the snow consolidates...and generally I will use 62, 56, 51mm underfoot skis depending on the slope angle and snow conditions.

so I am actually looking at some alpine skis now instead of just asnes. Like the racing skis from Plum.. The Plum Le Roc D'Enfer at 160cm, 97-68.5-83



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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by Johnny » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:07 pm

mountainmaxy wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:00 am
Also, looking at new boots. Have scott voodoos, used to ride garmont energes. Would the scarpa t1 be comparable regarding flex, performance and foot shape/width. Any sizing quirks to be aware of? Thanks for the comments!
The Scott Voodoos are awesome boots. I really enjoyed mine, but they are quite soft boots. Way too soft for my needs (Fast, frontside carving action) but amazingly fun and comfortable for moguls and powder. The T1 is quite stiffer than the Voodoos... They sure will offer more "performance", but you have to evaluate how much performance you really need...? NTN Voodoos could be a nice option too... 8-)
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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by Montana St Alum » Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:08 pm

If the Voodoos are perfect, I'd get another pair if the problem is that yours are worn out. They appear to be available.
They claim a flex index of 130, in the duckbill, which is stiff if true. Since Johnny has skied them, I'd go by his observation. They are 100mm in last width. I haven't skied them, but that's stiffer than the claimed T1 flex index of 110 and a width of 100mm as well.

Crispi makes a 3 buckle and 4 buckle model as well. I'd guess they have those in stock in Switzerland.
I tried the Crispis for NTN and didn't like the flex or the fit.



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Re: Lack of alpine skis mentioned

Post by joeatomictoad » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:57 am

mountainmaxy wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:00 am
Also, looking at new boots. Have scott voodoos, used to ride garmont energes. Would the scarpa t1 be comparable regarding flex, performance and foot shape/width. Any sizing quirks to be aware of? Thanks for the comments!
I use T1's. Intuition liner is great, and the 2'nd buckle (instep strap) keeps the heel locked into the pocket quite effectively.. My only critique is the cuff height. If someone has large calf muscles, I would definitely put that part of fitting into the decision matrix. Probably a combination of cuff height and angle.

It's really not that bad. Commonly cited workarounds include skiing in "walk mode", skiing with the top 2 buckles a little loose, and keeping the power strap not too cinched. Also, the "ski mode" angle can be easily adjusted to two (2) possible angles on the fly.

T1 might spoil us too much.



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