Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
- Nick BC
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
I think riel nailed it. Wasn’t there a law suit around Fischer allegedly ripping off Asnes skin attachment system?
Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
Speaking of Chamonix, we might be going there next March for a wk. Do they allow NNN BC at the resort? can I use my Falketind 62, NNN BC, Alfa Guard? Is the snow light and powdery? I would love to take 2 setups there and use FT62 on some variable terrain and a heavy wide downhill set for the Vallee Blanche.
- riel
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
The lawsuit about the skins got settled years ago.
I think what may be a larger factor here is that Fischer and Rossignol are selling NNN and NNN-BC compatible bindings, which took a major bite out of Rottefella's business. Of course, they're still buying Rottefella soles, and may well be the largest customer for those NNN-BC soles, so it must be an interesting business relationship
- Nick BC
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
I wasn’t aware that Fischer made an XCD binding. I thought they just rebadged the Rotte NNNBC manual and Magnum?
Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
I personally like Fischer EZ skin system better than Asnes Xskins. the metal can scrape up your pocket or backpack if you dont store it in the bag. also, in the backcountry, if it comes off, you may not know until its too late. EZ skins stay attached at the tip even when the skins fail and also, you can do a quick check to see if they are still on just by looking down. and EZ skins can be conveniently rolled up and stashed in a pocket without worry. Asnes skins work well in dry snow with no obstacles and contaminants. not good for summer skiing. They can be removed easily without taking the skis off, whereas Fischer skins are hard to take off with skis on.
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
Oh, I suppose that is possible and I just got confused by seeing Fischer and Rossignol "BCX" bindings up for sale with no hint of the Rottefella name, or of the NNN-BC binding type.
NNN is probably where the real market share is, anyway.
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
Dude it's Europe you can pretty much do whatever you want in the mountains. It's totally different from the States.jyw5 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:25 pmSpeaking of Chamonix, we might be going there next March for a wk. Do they allow NNN BC at the resort? can I use my Falketind 62, NNN BC, Alfa Guard? Is the snow light and powdery? I would love to take 2 setups there and use FT62 on some variable terrain and a heavy wide downhill set for the Vallee Blanche.
Snow can be variable depending on elevation.
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
What does this mean!Woodserson wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:22 pmDude it's Europe you can pretty much do whatever you want in the mountains. It's totally different from the States.jyw5 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:25 pmSpeaking of Chamonix, we might be going there next March for a wk. Do they allow NNN BC at the resort? can I use my Falketind 62, NNN BC, Alfa Guard? Is the snow light and powdery? I would love to take 2 setups there and use FT62 on some variable terrain and a heavy wide downhill set for the Vallee Blanche.
Snow can be variable depending on elevation.
Forgive the dumb question, but we’re thinking about coming to the US/ Canada this winter, and I’m actually curious about what is and isn’t possible. Is there anything preventing you from stopping the car and slithering into a wild-looking valley in North America?
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
Monsieur le Musk,Musk Ox wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:46 pmWhat does this mean!Woodserson wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:22 pmDude it's Europe you can pretty much do whatever you want in the mountains. It's totally different from the States.jyw5 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:25 pmSpeaking of Chamonix, we might be going there next March for a wk. Do they allow NNN BC at the resort? can I use my Falketind 62, NNN BC, Alfa Guard? Is the snow light and powdery? I would love to take 2 setups there and use FT62 on some variable terrain and a heavy wide downhill set for the Vallee Blanche.
Snow can be variable depending on elevation.
Forgive the dumb question, but we’re thinking about coming to the US/ Canada this winter, and I’m actually curious about what is and isn’t possible. Is there anything preventing you from stopping the car and slithering into a wild-looking valley in North America?
I can guanrantee you endless terrain, spectacular forest, and deep snow- with no restrictions (other than interspersions of impenetreble young tree thickets).
And if you bring your beloved Lundhags BC boots- we have a plethora of skis to choose from.
Gareth
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Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
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Re: Some of you said Gammes don't turn, but...
Musk Ox,
In the United States private property rights rule. Within the past ten years had a case in the Michigan Supreme Court stating that the public has the right to walk along the high water line along the Great Lakes. However our history is much different than European history. The invention of barbed wire allowed homesteaders to fence their claims. Historic free range was no longer free. While in Michigan we have the right to traverse any navigable River, with navigable being defined as able to float logs (from the big logging days). I still contend with a guy, that owns 3 acres on a navigable river, that wants to give me problems about walking on his property to avoid a deep hole. He owns 3 acres in the middle of thousands of acres of National Forest! I have checked with the local Conservation Officer, and I am on legal ground, but private property prevails in the U.S.
Now the good news is that there is lots of public land, National and State lands. I know my State of Michigan is much more liberal than the Fed’s. I pay $10 to access all State land. However the Fed’s have 3 National Forests and a National Lakeshore I access. I’ll access from an out of the way location every chance I get rather than pay some of the fees they want. However when I’m traveling to a different State where I don’t know my way around, I pay all required Federal fees.
I’m not trying to scare you. If you park at a Federal trailhead, and they want a fee, there will be a kiosk where you drop an envelope with cash into a secure tube. I don’t know how people that buy a 12 pack with their credit card swing that!
In the United States private property rights rule. Within the past ten years had a case in the Michigan Supreme Court stating that the public has the right to walk along the high water line along the Great Lakes. However our history is much different than European history. The invention of barbed wire allowed homesteaders to fence their claims. Historic free range was no longer free. While in Michigan we have the right to traverse any navigable River, with navigable being defined as able to float logs (from the big logging days). I still contend with a guy, that owns 3 acres on a navigable river, that wants to give me problems about walking on his property to avoid a deep hole. He owns 3 acres in the middle of thousands of acres of National Forest! I have checked with the local Conservation Officer, and I am on legal ground, but private property prevails in the U.S.
Now the good news is that there is lots of public land, National and State lands. I know my State of Michigan is much more liberal than the Fed’s. I pay $10 to access all State land. However the Fed’s have 3 National Forests and a National Lakeshore I access. I’ll access from an out of the way location every chance I get rather than pay some of the fees they want. However when I’m traveling to a different State where I don’t know my way around, I pay all required Federal fees.
I’m not trying to scare you. If you park at a Federal trailhead, and they want a fee, there will be a kiosk where you drop an envelope with cash into a secure tube. I don’t know how people that buy a 12 pack with their credit card swing that!