Bindings: NNN BC vs 3 Pin for good turns?

[Axamer]

Also the Rottefella 75mm bindings really do hold the boots better - the pins are longer and the bindings are narrower so the sole fits precisely in them.

@dhdaines I have always used Voilé 75mm. So do you really think the Super Roteffella 75mm would perform better for my Garmont Excursion?

[connyro]

Connie have tried over the years many different bindings but the one that did all I wanted, was the Rotta Super Telemark. Cruise, up, down....Not interested in any kind of plastic boot....Telepole found a Asolo Snowfield 2 in a box in an Antique store....Never worn!!!!! They blew out instantly and needed some glue...Wingnuts are the sidewall of the RST.....It can give you the tiny edge for not sliding back....Found over the decades how tough they are...Have destroyed a couple but did I ever have to do wicked bad stuff to do it.....Boys get pissed when I bring that boarder girl up at Tuckermans Ravine....but it was Rottafella ST....215 (210?)...e99's.....and some (any leather boot...Merrill?)....Won't say it cause the boys will slap me up side the head....but it was wonderful corn!!!!!!! and view!!!!!!!!TM

That's nice and all but I'm more interested in if you've skied NNNBC bindings and boots and what your opinion is about the difference between NNNBC and 75mm 3-pins and what makes 3-pins superior in your opinion.

[Axamer]

I ski a 75mm binding without cable with a Garmont Excursion boot for an EON, Ingstad ski and an FT62 Asnes. The combination of a 75mm binding and a Garmont Excursion style plastic boot gives me all the comfort and flexibility I want while allowing me to achieve perfect lateral stiffness when skiing downhill on marked and unmarked trails.

I wouldn't have the same feeling with a simple slipper leather boot to have tried it before. Even downhill performance would suffer ... At best, a double liner ski boot could provide sufficient lateral support.

My pleasure to ski is to go downhill. This is the reason why I agree to have a boot a little heavier in order to please myself and not to compromise in the downhill sections.

This is also the reason why I don't like to ski on an NNNBC system. Because it offers no lateral support and concerning the unrolling of the feet I find this system a little archaic and not comfortable. My Excursion boot surprisingly gives me a better flex than people might think. My feet move easily when I ski and the boot constructed like a telemark boot has a gusset to allow natural flex, unlike a leather or synthetic boot where your toes are crushed.

This is why I firmly believe that the new Xplore system will revolutionize our practice of Nordic skiing.

On the other hand, I don't think I will put my Garmont Excursion in the trash for the pleasure it gives me on the descent. But the new Xplore system will still be a big step forward for using skis in the style of Fisher E89, E99, E109 or even at Asnes Gamme 54, Nansen, Ingstaad. For the other skis of larger dimensions I have a small reserve even if Asnes mentioned that it was possible with the new one to drive FT62 skis, RAB68.

Again I often meet Nordic skiers who say they try telemark style downhill, but more often than not they are in survival when they descend where they make themselves believe they had a lot of fun when they were downright in survival mode.

I think that to practice a proper telemark technique you need the right equipment. Now if your pleasure is to cover a good distance, which is also quite pleasant, then a lighter system with a narrower ski may be the best choice. But you have to make a sacrifice on some downhill sections by practicing a more defensive style.

I consider myself a good telemarker but I wouldn't be able to do what I'm doing right now with a Garmont Excursion and an FT62 if I had an Alpina Alaska NNNBC boot and a Fischer E99 or a Gamme 54. I even tried to Telemarking with my Garmont Excursion and my Ingstaad on narrow forest trails and honestly I really didn't like it.

So in my opinion the equipment must be related to the skiing practice we want. This is why a pair of skis is totally insufficient ...

This is why I own several ski equipment ranging from classic, to off-piste (several sizes) and to large powder skis with the Scarpa T2 Wayback 104 from K2.

[greatgt]

"C" feel more lateral support....Don't like the possibility of icing the nnn system at times when I hit water....Guess I'm comfortable with RST having skied them for decades....When a part time...er....tiny investor in the Craftsbury Outdoor Center used the nnn system and frankly didn't like the feel....For me all equipment and the reality of skiing is FEEL...Feels good...I'm in...not, I'm out...TST feels like an appendage....Like that Rocker....Good on the down but not so good on the cruise and up....Will never purchase a rockered ski again....Will never be without the 11 oz Rottafella Super Telemark again....er...think the 109's have a voile three pin which I should switch over to RST....Oh and hey that picture you have up is Teleking about to go down after getting crunched by grabby sticky snow...Ron Cole has the next sequence and do we ever chuckle about that....Splat!!!!! TM

[CwmRaider]

@dhdaines I have always used Voilé 75mm. So do you really think the Super Roteffella 75mm would perform better for my Garmont Excursion?

The Voile 3 pin were changed some years ago (2013?) to be more suited for larger duckbills. they say 16-20mm width
I think Rottefella say 12-20 mm

The Crispi Bre duckbills are around 16mm thick and fit in the bottom notch of the Voile (and still feel a bit looser) and in the 2nd to 3rd notch (from the top) of the RST. The T4 go in the top notch of the RST and sit tight. I have not run them in the Voile yet, I will if the snow comes back enough that I can warrant running T4s on my Nansen skis.

[bgregoire]

@dhdaines I have always used Voilé 75mm. So do you really think the Super Roteffella 75mm would perform better for my Garmont Excursion?

The Rottefella STs perform better with non plastic boots for the reasons given above. The Voiles are optimized for plastic boot lasts so work very well with them, wether that be Excursion, T4, etc.

[connyro]

"C" feel more lateral support....Don't like the possibility of icing the nnn system at times when I hit water....Guess I'm comfortable with RST having skied them for decades....When a part time...er....tiny investor in the Craftsbury Outdoor Center used the nnn system and frankly didn't like the feel....For me all equipment and the reality of skiing is FEEL...Feels good...I'm in...not, I'm out...TST feels like an appendage....Like that Rocker....Good on the down but not so good on the cruise and up....Will never purchase a rockered ski again....Will never be without the 11 oz Rottafella Super Telemark again....er...think the 109's have a voile three pin which I should switch over to RST....Oh and hey that picture you have up is Teleking about to go down after getting crunched by grabby sticky snow...Ron Cole has the next sequence and do we ever chuckle about that....Splat!!!!! TM

Gotcha. You adore the RST 3-pin but aside from one time on nnn and groomed tracks, you have not skied anything nnnbc because it might ice up. And I love that photo - I can see why you call him 'teleking'.

[greatgt]

I like the photo more because YOU use it!!!!! Teleking is the best Telemarker you will NEVER meet....He can ski anything and like ALL of us will take a beating from Nature.....Because nature can kick anyone's a.. at any time....Especially when you are not paying attention....We don't mind crashes connie.....Hell just this last week Teleking had a bloody lip and cheek.....Damn whip!....We take pictures of it connie and laugh a lot....because....It's damn funny.....Kinda like out at Alta when in a snow squall both Teleking and Telekid went off a cliff not knowing and stuck the 20 foot landing cause....what else could they do????? Telemarkers don't kneel down to logic and conformity....We have fun connie, try that! TM