breathable shell jacket? is there one that lets sweat out but keeps you dry

[Rodbelan]

Ah man... Not the gortex crap again!
I tried them all — specially for kayaking. I hate that stuff. Not durable. Delaminates like crazy. DWR doesn't work after a couple of days of hard use. Expensive. Sweaty if you use them for skin track work out.

The friends of mine that are always getting cold & shivering usually wear GTex while skinning up — even down jackets sometimes! Rivers of stinky sweat run down their neck, back and butt crack... (I'm becoming more and more of a poet).

Why do people still go that route?

End of the rant.

[lowangle al]

Ah man... Not the gortex crap again!
I tried them all — specially for kayaking. I hate that stuff. Not durable. Delaminates like crazy. DWR doesn't work after a couple of days of hard use. Expensive. Sweaty if you use them for skin track work out.

The friends of mine that are always getting cold & shivering usually wear GTex while skinning up — even down jackets sometimes! Rivers of stinky sweat run down their neck, back and butt crack... (I'm becoming more and more of a poet).

Why do people still go that route?

End of the rant.

Now you got me riled up, the stuff doesn't work.

I had to take a long steep hike/climb with a friend to help him find a goat he shot. He had on gortex and I was wearing wool w/o raingear. It was a light rain all day and when we got back to his truck he had to change his clothes while I was comfotably damp.

[Montana St Alum]

Ah man... Not the gortex crap again!
I tried them all — specially for kayaking. I hate that stuff. Not durable. Delaminates like crazy. DWR doesn't work after a couple of days of hard use. Expensive. Sweaty if you use them for skin track work out.

The friends of mine that are always getting cold & shivering usually wear GTex while skinning up — even down jackets sometimes! Rivers of stinky sweat run down their neck, back and butt crack... (I'm becoming more and more of a poet).

Why do people still go that route?

End of the rant.

I'm also not a fan of Gtex. People swear by the Pro version, though.
I did get an eVent drytop for WW kayaking though, and it was awesome!!

[Rodbelan]

I got also an high end eVent NRS dry suit. Good (at least better than the Goretex ones... an impression) but just for a couple of times... Never again.

[Rodbelan]

Ah man... Not the gortex crap again!
I tried them all — specially for kayaking. I hate that stuff. Not durable. Delaminates like crazy. DWR doesn't work after a couple of days of hard use. Expensive. Sweaty if you use them for skin track work out.

The friends of mine that are always getting cold & shivering usually wear GTex while skinning up — even down jackets sometimes! Rivers of stinky sweat run down their neck, back and butt crack... (I'm becoming more and more of a poet).

Why do people still go that route?

End of the rant.

Now you got me riled up, the stuff doesn't work.

I had to take a long steep hike/climb with a friend to help him find a goat he shot. He had on gortex and I was wearing wool w/o raingear. It was a light rain all day and when we got back to his truck he had to change his clothes while I was comfotably damp.

Ah man. Better not to think about all that marketing that worked so well! Most BC skiers wear GT. Like I said, marketing is a poison.

[bauerb]

today it as a warm 16F so to skin up I tried something different. I wore only a light smart wool shirt, and a perforated lycra running jacket. it was a little chilly at the start, but then I warmed up. I was comfortable as long as I kept moving. I was definitely sweaty, but not overheated with drenched clothing. so the diff today was: no mid layer and no shell jacket...but it was only snowing very lightly and was not windy. I don't think the clothing choice would have worked if it was really windy. on days I skin up, its basically fully on work for 90 mins, then put on everything in my pack for the ski down.

[cludwig]

I don't wear waterproof jackets, only waterproof pants. I wear a Särmä TST Woolshell jacket from Varusteleka. The price is great and they ship everywhere (color options are sadly limited).
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/ ... cket/59958


I wore it today between 15 and 25F in a full blizzard with only a 250 weight merino base layer underneath. I also took two falls in 24" of wet sticky powder. I came up looking like a bear coming out of hibernation each time. Covered in snow that didn't brush off. Also, the falling snow was quite wet and sticky. I was icing up big time on the outer surface. I knew I was pushing a wool shell jacket to the limits today, but I wanted to see how it would do (I've skied with it all year). The ice stayed on the outside and my base layer stayed dry. I didn't get cold either.

When not raining or snowing heavily, the wool shell is the best coat I have ever owned. I'd pair it with a waterproof layer if in the back country and it starts dumping rain. I carry a mylar poncho in the sleeve pocket in case I come across some rain, but being in Utah, it isn't a big hazard. I have matching pants that I use for snow shoeing. I waxed the fabric knees and seat in those to keep the wet out, but I haven't waxed the coat patches. Very happy with the pants too. I use ski pants when skiing though as the wool pants would probably collect too much ice.

[The GCW]

Rodbelan,

Quote: “ I got also an high end eVent NRS dry suit. Good (at least better than the Goretex ones... an impression) but just for a couple of times... Never again.”

If not eVent or GoreTex dry suit, what else is there? With their faults, is there an alternative? I’m usually dressed for submersion, which means I’m usually over dressed for paddling, (where sometimes clouds and winds are Your friend) isn’t that the best We can do? (-regarding sea kayaking off Seattle for instance).

[Rodbelan]

Rodbelan,

Quote: “ I got also an high end eVent NRS dry suit. Good (at least better than the Goretex ones... an impression) but just for a couple of times... Never again.”

If not eVent or GoreTex dry suit, what else is there? With their faults, is there an alternative? I’m usually dressed for submersion, which means I’m usually over dressed for paddling, (where sometimes clouds and winds are Your friend) isn’t that the best We can do? (-regarding sea kayaking off Seattle for instance).

Yeah, in a kayak, I guess you choose the least poisonous option. Still, this is crap. And expensive too. Now, I usually wear a neoprene tuilik with neoprene long john. If it's good for greenlanders, it should be good for me.

[The GCW]

Ahh, the tuilik.