Stephen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:15 pm
Revelations.
I'm sure others have seen this already, and I had seen it before, but now it has new meaning.
Is he switching between Gamme and Nansen in the videos?
On the chart, why is the Nansen to the left of the Ingstad? (I would have expected it to be in between the Ingstad and Gamme?)
Yes this video has been discussed before; With all the discussions and from my limited personal experience as a self proclaimed intermediate skier (using 3 skis on this chart + Falketind) I still think the graphic is actually quite an accurate representation and very helpful.
Also bear in mind that the relative behaviour of skis depends also on snow depth. Good luck getting speed with an E89 if other skis stay on top where they sink through.
X-axis = hurtighet/langrenn = speed / cross country
Y-axis= Styring/sving = steering/turning
Red circles = Bæreevne = "carrying capacity". Possibly flotation is the best word in english.
At 9:36 he further clarifies the axes:
"Choose skis from how important speed (right arrow -->) and turning ability (up arrow) and carrying capacity (red ring) are for you". Halfway on the chart does not mean half the speed or half the ability.
And it was made in 2014.
The Gamme 54 and Nansen were similar but a bit heavier than today
The Ingstad was comparable to today's Combat Nato
The Holmenkollen was the older version of the Mountain Race 48
The Storetind was the older version of the Rabb
Here is a transcript of what he says (sorry I dont want to do the whole video right now).
2014-2015 Nansen:
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"Åsnes har jo hatt Nansen ut i mange år, siden 86 faktisk, så er det kjempe trygg, stødig ski som scorer veldig høyt på styring- og svingegenskaper. Og vi ser at den scorer litt mindre på hurtighet og langrenns egenskaper fordi den har mindre spenst og litt mer tyngde. Det er veldig god og trygg ski. Den bøyer seg også veldig jevnt, en sånn veldig jevn bøyekurve som er nesten som en alpinski når du spenner den opp."
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Sentence by sentence translation:
"Åsnes has had the Nansen in many years, since 86 in fact, and it is a very safe, stable ski which scores very high on steering and turning properties. And we see that it scores a little less on speed and cross-country properties because it has less tension and a little bit more heaviness. It is a very good and safe ski. It also bends very regularly, such a very regular bending curve which is almost like an alpine ski when you apply tension (picture for illustration)."
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2014-2015 Gamme 54:
"Så har vi en ski som ikke er her nå, men som både jeg og Øystein begynte med, det var en som lå midt i mellom Nansen og Amundsen som het MT54. Den er nå gjenskapt i en som heter Gamme 54 som nå kombinerer dette med mye hurtighet og spenst og samtidig brukbare styreegenskaper, slik at den ligger i mellom Amundsen og Nansen. Så har vi da Gamme 54, og 54 er da midtbredden på skia. Så den er midt i mellom med styreegenskaper og hurtighet og ganske så god bæreevne fordi den har mye lengdestivhet."
(a bit later he flexes the Gamme 54 again and continues):
"E99 bærer noe dårliger enn Gamme skia, Gamme skia viste vi jo ikke, der er den. Ganske lengdestiv, men med rockertuppen og også faktisk insmalning foran, eller taper den heter når det gjelder kjøreski. Det er den eneste fjellskia som har det i dag. Den første fjellski som har det."
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Translation:
"Then we have a ski which is not here now, but with which both me and Øystein began, that was one which was halfway between Nansen and Amundsen called MT54 (points to an unmarked area on a straight line between Amundsen and Nansen). That one is now remade as a ski called Gamme 54 which now combines these properties of much speed and tension, and simultaneously useable steering properties, such that it lies between Amundsen and Nansen. So we have Gamme 54, and 54 is the underfoot width of the ski. So it is halfway between in terms of steering and speed, and quite a good "carrying capacity" because it is quite stiff in the length.
(talks about E99 then comes back to Gamme):
E99 carries a bit worse than Gamme ski, which we did not show, here it is (flexes Gamme 54). Quite stiff in length, but with rocker tip and also narrowing towards the tip, or taper as it is called with alpine skis. This is the only fjellski which has it today. The first fjellski which has it."
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2014-2015 Ingstad (present day Combat Nato)
"Ingstad Skia er den som forsvaret bruker i en hviter versjon. Den er breiere men det vil ikke si at den svinger bedre enn Nansen. Ganske lik, og den har en god del mer bæreevne, noe som er god der det er løs snø, og den flytter letter oppå. Og den er lett å gå med når det er dyp snø på grunn av bredden, men også fordi den har mye stivhet og bra spenst i midtpartiet, så har den god mykhet foran og bak. Den lager fine løyper og er lett å gå med i løs og dyp snø."
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Translation:
"The Ingstad ski is the one the military uses in a whiter version. It is wider but that does not mean that it turns better than Nansen. Quite similar, and it has more carrying capacity, something which is good when there is loose snow, and it floats better on top. And it is easy to walk with when the snow is deep because of the width, but also because it has a lot of stiffness and tension in the middle, and good softness in front and back. It makes nice tracks and is easy to walk with in loose and deep snow".
