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From the Dictionary of Reality: NNN : NO! NO! NO! don't ski on the toe!
The father of XCD , Steve Barnett, long long ago abandoned NNN and SNS in favour of the SNS Pilot binding which has double bars (one close to the ball of the foot ) to more properly apply weight close to the ball of the foot for better telemarking and parallel turns! PSSST.. I hear he even skis pins --according to his own posts.. I bet he sinks in the powder though!
"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
Wow, this video tells us visually how big the frontal pressure generated by sturdy boots and cable bindings is.
His following ski warps every time he lifts his heel, and its tail flips up.
He definitely needs fat skis on powder to compensate that frontal pressure.
The flowing river never stops and yet the water never stays the same.
It's a matter of exaggerating in an exercise to get another/different point across, Cima.. Point being proper ski pressure..Teaching often involves exaggerated elements it seems ?..Going so low is also part of the exercise, which naturally throws the back boot up a lot more than usual also..He is trying to help those who tend to pull back the lead ski too strongly in the lead change, hence the emphasis on that front ski which tends to radically unweight the ski that slides backwards..
"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
The last picture shows a skier trying to balance by using his toes to pressure the back ski.....Not good....One reason leathers and pins are so good is they allow one to pressure with the BALLS.....of your feet...Toes should work in conjunction with the balls of your feet....balanced on the balls of your feet is the ATHLETIC position for BALLANCE...Can't pick up the vids because I have dial up but will continue to try to figure out what all are saying....Krakus Welcome.....Have not heard much from you in awhile...TM
I threw away my NNN skis a long time ago because I couldn't do anything with it. They were IMPOSSIBLE to control. Then I got myself a pair of old leathers and started telemark with cable bindings. That was the most stupid thing I ever tried. it was IMPOSSIBLE to control skis with those floppy leathers and cheap, 25yo Voile 3-pin bindings. But I'm hard-headed, and after a few years, I got better. Then I tried plastics and 75mm. Then NTN.
And now, I can ski anywhere with my old leathers and I just don't see the point of having cables anymore. Because my technique got better. And there was NO WAY I could have imagined that I would be skiing pins without cables one day. That was just impossible.
It's just a matter of perfecting the art of turning. So I guess it's exactly the same with NNN. It just requires more advanced skills to do what people do easily with pins. It's definitely my next challenge...!
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Even if the guy in the video is demonstrating an exaggeration, we can see a relation between the the heel-lift-up and frontal pressure. That relation cannot be ignored even if you're at higher position.
TM,
I wonder if the balls matter so much. I hadn't heard so often about them until I joined this BBS.
LJ,
LJ wrote:It's just a matter of perfecting the art of turning. So I guess it's exactly the same with NNN. It just requires more advanced skills to do what people do easily with pins. It's definitely my next challenge...!
After you master telemark on NNN, you'll be able to ski on other systems as easy as taking candy from a baby.
The flowing river never stops and yet the water never stays the same.
Again Cima, the point of the exercise is to help those who produce a very sharp and skidded turn by helping them put more emphasis on the front ski as opposed to just quickly drawing the lead ski back ..
We can clearly see how many problems are created in powder with this exercise and on this gear here at minute 8..
The exercise itself causes the rear ski to jump a bit on hard snow; it's because he VERY abruptly extends but drops much more slowly.
I can't tell what binding he's using, but the more active allow the foot to pitch much more up (apparently on toes) but retain pressure due to mechanical advantages..
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"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
At a downhill area different things are done...Weighing the back foot by being up on the toe works because the snow is compacted and the surface is flat....Steep or not....In the BC where we ski the surface may be flat steep or not but what is in that plane is very much not. For the quickest reaction..... being on the balls of the feet.... make for an instantaneous, or, as close as one can get to it...reaction.....Toe movement for us is still little toe big toe angulation....that starts the arc....fore starts the tips down...up the skis surface....Once again we skied the nnn and or the sns system early on but it would NOT hold up in the rugged BC around here....Besides we love the feeling of three tiny pins holding it all together....LJ if ain't any easier to ski sns or pins just a slight difference....Rottafellas weigh in at 11 oz....If the nnn was more rugged we would give it a go...We hit a lot of forest debris around here and pins take the brunt of it...er...we usually break some skis each year too....TM
PSSST.. I hear he even skis pins --according to his own posts.. 
Point being proper ski pressure..Teaching often involves exaggerated elements it seems ?..Going so low is also part of the exercise, which naturally throws the back boot up a lot more than usual also..He is trying to help those who tend to pull back the lead ski too strongly in the lead change, hence the emphasis on that front ski which tends to radically unweight the ski that slides backwards.. 
