The T2X's were around in between that vintage of T2 and the T2eco. Those t2's are nice, but can be subject to rocker launch for lighter folks (depending on the binding set-up) when the soles rocker out a bit too. My wife has the women's T2 of that vinatage, and her only complaint is that she can't operate the walk/ski switch as she can't get the little wire bail out of the slot or back in. It's pretty damn tough for me to operate them as well, but maybe I just haven't cycled the bail in and out enough to break it in..dnt_upton wrote:I believe that is the last version of the T2 before the puke green T2 Ecos came out. It's a comfortable, easy to flex boot. It's probably not much stiffer than the T4s, but it has a higher cuff and, in my view, is much better boot -- more comfortable and beefier relative to the T4.merak wrote:What about this model of Scarpa T2? Does it worth considering? I have an offer on some local site. I mean: are they much stiffer then the T4's?
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I agree, the walk mode clip on the T2s is a PITA.TomH wrote:My wife has the women's T2 of that vinatage, and her only complaint is that she can't operate the walk/ski switch as she can't get the little wire bail out of the slot or back in. It's pretty damn tough for me to operate them as well, but maybe I just haven't cycled the bail in and out enough to break it in..
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Thanks guys. I'll wait for the guy to lower the price. Nobody will buy them anyway
A couple of years ago I've installed some voile 3 pin's on a pair of blizzard free cross, without risers like the green ones in the images. Unfortunatelly I made some mistakes which in the end lead to not being able to mount the bindings anymore because of so many holes.
As I've found this chili's recently an idea came to me to try again with the risers this time, the skis being in pretty good condition despite the fact that I've abandoned them to the elements... and here they are! More then this: with the soft cables from Voile I found out that the binding acts very close to a free pivot binding with the advantage of weight on my side. Not having those 3 pins, the duckbill slips a bit and permit a wider movement. I still have to test them on real slopes though.
It's nice to see the hole compatibility between Voile and Rotefella. I can very easily mount the 3 pin on rottefella's risers.
The next task will be to manufacture a pair of risers and my arsenal contains two pairs of decent skis now.
two. The conclusion: don't throw away anything or at least keep them in a recycle bin for an year or
A couple of years ago I've installed some voile 3 pin's on a pair of blizzard free cross, without risers like the green ones in the images. Unfortunatelly I made some mistakes which in the end lead to not being able to mount the bindings anymore because of so many holes.
As I've found this chili's recently an idea came to me to try again with the risers this time, the skis being in pretty good condition despite the fact that I've abandoned them to the elements... and here they are! More then this: with the soft cables from Voile I found out that the binding acts very close to a free pivot binding with the advantage of weight on my side. Not having those 3 pins, the duckbill slips a bit and permit a wider movement. I still have to test them on real slopes though.
It's nice to see the hole compatibility between Voile and Rotefella. I can very easily mount the 3 pin on rottefella's risers.
The next task will be to manufacture a pair of risers and my arsenal contains two pairs of decent skis now.
two. The conclusion: don't throw away anything or at least keep them in a recycle bin for an year or
- lowangle al
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I took an old pair of Tua Sumos out yesterday with chili bindings and leather boots and I give the bindings two thumbs up for the up and down. I'm not sure but the springs on the origional heel throws may be stiffer than the Voiles.
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Nice photos BTW, keep them coming.
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Yes, forgot about that. Getting old, I guess.TomH wrote:The T2X's were around in between that vintage of T2 and the T2eco.
Nice job mixing/matching, though yeah, that type of cable is really meant for 3 pins, or you get that slop.merak wrote:More then this: with the soft cables from Voile I found out that the binding acts very close to a free pivot binding with the advantage of weight on my side. Not having those 3 pins, the duckbill slips a bit and permit a wider movement. I still have to test them on real slopes though.
And the free pivot provides a very noticeable gain in efficiency on the way up, even compared to simple 3 pins.
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Merak, if your duckbill is slipping back in the toe box when you kick or if the duckbill moves when you move your heel side to side the cables are too loose, or in your case those Voile springs may not have enough tension.
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lowangle al wrote:Merak, if your duckbill is slipping back in the toe box when you kick or if the duckbill moves when you move your heel side to side the cables are too loose, or in your case those Voile springs may not have enough tension.
Correct. I forgot to mention that I left them open when walking and then close when downhill. I will do some trip today or tomorrow and also take the original, harder cables with me...in case i need them... see how it goes
- lowangle al
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Be careful that you don't loose a ski with that buckle open. It looks like it could be a long way down to recover a runaway ski where you are.merak wrote:Correct. I forgot to mention that I left them open when walking and then close when downhill. I will do some trip today or tomorrow and also take the original, harder cables with me...in case i need them... see how it goes
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4 hours of continuous effort for what?... another 2.5 hours of struggle to get back
Walking in these T4's is killing my feet but I have no choice... the terrain is demanding.
The snow is melting fast bellow 1500 m. I had no problems with the binding and the way I use it. It really behaved like a free pivot. I put the cables like this: I don't have very nice slopes, just steep, narrow, bushy ... you name it stuf
Here are some pics I took today:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bgh65tbkn9xh ... 7hu4a?dl=0
In the end I ended up with this: At least they got me back home.
Walking in these T4's is killing my feet but I have no choice... the terrain is demanding.
The snow is melting fast bellow 1500 m. I had no problems with the binding and the way I use it. It really behaved like a free pivot. I put the cables like this: I don't have very nice slopes, just steep, narrow, bushy ... you name it stuf
Here are some pics I took today:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bgh65tbkn9xh ... 7hu4a?dl=0
In the end I ended up with this: At least they got me back home.