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lilcliffy wrote:
Cool to know...I had forgotten this- it has been a decade or so since I've examined an Outtabounds.
Fischer has clearly played with the flex pattern of these skis many times...Does your Outtabounds have Nordic rocker- like the current 88?
I've read/heard a rumour that the current 78 (Traverse) has more camber than the previous S-78?
The Outtabounds have about a 2-3/4" spread when I put the bases together, the Excursion 88 has 2-1/2"
There is NO nordic rocker effect on the Outtabounds, there is a noticeably nordic rocker on the Excursion 88.
Unsure on the 78's, I have the brown version and have not compared to the Traverse. It also doesn't help that often they are on a display rack in plastic.
@MikeK: Yeah, it's a sickness. I've got it in its chronic phase.
@fisheater: I'm baffled by my experience with the S-Bound 125 too. It was really shocking how much better I could handle the Vector BC on a hardpacked slope than I could the SB-125. I mean, it was like night and day, I went from being helpless on the SB-125s to skiing on auto-pilot on the Vectors. I simply do not understand. So....
I think I'm just going to unload this drilled-once/skied-once pair of SB-125 (175 length) and look for a pair of Outta/S-Bound/Excursion 88 in 179 cm length.
@woodserson: Great info on the nordic camber Excursion 88. I wonder if it changes how the ski feels when compared to the old Outtabounds?
BTW, I ski my skis really short because my favorite activity is skiing supposedly unskiable hiking trails in the rolling terrain/dense woods of the Adirondacks and Catskills. Yeah, it's stupid. I still love it. Whaddya gonna doo, eh?
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rongon wrote:
BTW, I ski my skis really short because my favorite activity is skiing supposedly unskiable hiking trails in the rolling terrain/dense woods of the Adirondacks and Catskills. Yeah, it's stupid. I still love it. Whaddya gonna doo, eh?
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NOT STUPID.
If I don't get out into the hills/mountains of the Northwoods on a regular basis, I become VERY unhappy.
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
rongon wrote:
BTW, I ski my skis really short because my favorite activity is skiing supposedly unskiable hiking trails in the rolling terrain/dense woods of the Adirondacks and Catskills. Yeah, it's stupid. I still love it. Whaddya gonna doo, eh?
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Gonna go skiing, that's what you're going to doo man, eh!
Interesting comments, someone who compares them to the Voile' Vectors with more forward mount and feels in soft powder they "tip dive" unless he gets "way back". I just must say that yes, in soft powder one must adjust their typical stance to keep tips up on any ski, tho I suppose you could mount further back to help that single situation, in my opinion you would be wrecking the overall responsive turn iniation because of one's inability to adjust to a powder condition??
Also as to the Fischer 125's (or any width), the suggested balance point mounting of pin line is likely a mistake for best performance of this ski, just as it is for the even stronger cambered Rossignol BC 125's. I don't own the 125 Fischers (but do have 98's), but I do have a couple of the Rossignols mounted about 2.5" ahead of "balance" and they are great!! Even my very skeptical alpine focused brother who for years kept his Rossi BC 125's mounted standard as purchased, finally gave my identical pair, other than mounting point, a try.
.....his are now re-mounted!!
Interesting comments, someone who compares them to the Voile' Vectors with more forward mount and feels in soft powder they "tip dive" unless he gets "way back". I just must say that yes, in soft powder one must adjust their typical stance to keep tips up on any ski, tho I suppose you could mount further back to help that single situation, in my opinion you would be wrecking the overall responsive turn iniation because of one's inability to adjust to a powder condition??
Also as to the Fischer 125's (or any width), the suggested balance point mounting of pin line is likely a mistake for best performance of this ski, just as it is for the even stronger cambered Rossignol BC 125's. I don't own the 125 Fischers (but do have 98's), but I do have a couple of the Rossignols mounted about 2.5" ahead of "balance" and they are great!! Even my very skeptical alpine focused brother who for years kept his Rossi BC 125's mounted standard as purchased, finally gave my identical pair, other than mounting point, a try.
.....his are now re-mounted!!
I have the S112 and S125...not sure how its mounted...probably to the manufacturer's specs.
never noticed any issues other than described in many posts across many threads. The conclusion is they work on everything except boiler plate snow. Use skins (and even full skins) on them for icy descents. I use the S125 for ski mountaineering... which may be what its designed for. no tip dive because I'm carrying a 50lb backpack.
