Rossi BC110 mounting point?

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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by MikeK » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:49 am

dnt_upton wrote:
Woodserson wrote:
MikeK wrote:Boot center for freeheel doesn't make much sense to me.
AMEN.
Well, that's where Voile puts it, G3 says 0.5 cm behind the alpine boot center, and Black Diamond says on the line or up to 2.5 cm behind it if you want a traditional mount. I wouldn't say it makes little sense. I would start with the location the ski maker recommends and modify as you think necessary.
2.5cm behind alpine BC seems more inline with what most XCD skis are using (although none have the marks for BC). Just in terms of relation to BOF and center of foot and also in terms of where balance may be.

I bet Rossi will say use BP. I'd say with a ski like that, go a bit forward of BP.

In my simple mind looking at the skis I've owned, BP (for most skis) looks kind of far back, and Alpine BC looks way far forward (for XCD). Pretty much all my skis but my most XC ones are in between those two points... well except my S Bounds, because the balance point is farther forward on those than any other ski.

Connyro - Even with my S Bounds 98s with 3 pins mounted on balance, they still raise up the tip when I lift my foot. It must be the heel riser is heavy and far back enough to make this happen.

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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by Johnny » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:34 pm

connyro wrote:FWIW: I do a LOT of trail breaking (lazy friends and/or solo) so I like my XCD setup to have the tails a little heavy so the tips rise when striding/climbing through deep unbroken snow. Not much, but just enough so the tips tend to rise when picking up your foot.
Geeez... This is a BRILLIANT idea!!! How come I never thought of this before? You're a genius RonnyCon!

Now if only they could start making NIS plates and XCelerator-type BC bindings... Guess I'll have to make it myself... (That was half of my secret binding... 8-) )
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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by MikeK » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:37 pm

LoveJohnny wrote: Guess I'll have to have Bri7 make it for me
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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by Johnny » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:14 pm

Thanks, but I asked him already... He said he was too busy "wherking" or something like that... Something to do with his "djab"... Not sure what he meant...
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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by Woodserson » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:20 pm

LOL, djabs are for kids.



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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by MikeK » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:26 pm

Bri was twerking? Did he have his speedo on?

Oh no... this is not good for tele... 8-)



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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by mfjelddalen » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:48 am

Ant01ne wrote:What's the mounting point?
There seems to be a line at the balance point is that correct?
Traditionally, on Nordic/BC skis, you mount pivot on balance point (se page 3, link underneath for further info).

https://blackdiamondequipment.com/on/de ... -specs.pdf
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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by SanJuanSam » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:13 pm

When I got my fischer SB 112s mounted I took the Paul Parker recommended approach and did pins over cord center. I wanted the ski to turn as well or better than it kick and glided.

My wife is looking at Rossi BC 110s, with a voile switchback. Would anyone else take this same approach with the Rossi?

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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by lilcliffy » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:21 pm

Planning on using the BC-110 as primarily a downhill ski? The switchback is a very powerful Telemark binding. And- there is no kick & glide mode to the switchback.

We had a discussion on using free-pivot Tele bindings for XCD skiing last winter:
http://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.p ... t+xcountry

I can easily turn my Annums with a NNNBC binding and Alpina Alaskas (in ideal soft snow).

My recent examination of the current BC-110 suggests that is even more "turny" than the Annum- especially with those slightly open tips.
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Re: Rossi BC110 mounting point?

Post by lilcliffy » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:34 pm

connyro wrote:
lilcliffy wrote: Snow up in your corner yet?
Nope. Rain. rain, snow, rain.
lilcliffy wrote:When you say "tail heavy", do you mean mounted rear of center?
No, forward from center, but just slightly. So the tips rise when the foot is lifted.
I am afraid I am a bit confused here...

My understanding is that a forward position puts more pressure/weight on the tips, offering more aggressive turn initiation.

A rearward position puts more pressure/weight on the tails, offering more effective float and tip rise in powder.

As far as xcountry skiing- forward of balance gives more grip; rear of balance gives more glide- based on the same physics as above.

I would think that a rockered tip is critical to early-tip rise with a forward mounting point- due to all of that tip pressure...

I apologize if I have this wrong...
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