Vector BC eludes my thinking

[lilcliffy]

I have a secret crush on the Storetind as well...

I would expect it to be at least as stiff as the S-98- due to the fact that Asnes claims that it has an effective (though small) wax pocket.

I have spoken to Asnes about the Storetind- got a response from a Mr. Asnes himself:

"Hi!

Storetind is a ski with rocker only in tip, and have camber and a small wax pocket.
I don’t know too much about Madshus Annum, so I can`t compare this two skis.
This ski is good for Nordic back country skiing, and works well for telemark turns.

Br
Asbjørn Åsnes"

I need a second job to effectively pursue all of this Nordic BC gear I want to try...

Woods- we each need a pair of the Storetinds with skinlock- for a future XCD tour on the windswept peaks of the Torngats!!

[lowangle al]

I have both versions of the vectors and my opinion is that if you are an old kick waxer and thats what you mostly use , get the waxable version. If you get a lot of poor waxing conditions and don't like red wax get the bc.

If I could only pick one or the other I would go for the BCs because of the versatility.

[connyro]

Well put LAA. I agree 100%.

[Cannatonic]

Storetind looks like a waxing Epoch or Sbound 98, would be great to have the skin attachment. I wonder how the flex compares to Ingstad/NATO ski. personally I favor ~20mm sidecut because of growing up old-school.

Looks like they still use the Rotte Chili (old Riva) cables in Norge. I wonder what kind of boots they use with them.

[lilcliffy]

Storetind looks like a waxing Epoch or Sbound 98, would be great to have the skin attachment. I wonder how the flex compares to Ingstad/NATO ski. personally I favor ~20mm sidecut because of growing up old-school.

Good question and no idea...at least we have a few Ingstad skiers out there now who can give us their impressions on it (at least it seems clear that the Ingstad is stiffer than the Eon/S-78- more like the current E-109).

The impression I got from a couple of email exchanges with Asnes was that the Storetind has a fairly stiff flex. It has a solid wood core with carbon fiber reinforcement. My impression is that the Storetind is intended for really ripping it up on a dense stable base. That combination of aggressive sidecut and torsional strength certainly isn't designed for flotation in powder. I would suggest that the primary reason that the Storetind is as wide at the tip/tail, is to be able to have that aggressive sidecut. I would expect it to be quite different than the Epoch (in terms of flex)- and I wouldn't be surprised if it was stiffer than the S-98 as well (which is significantly stiffer than the Epoch). My impression is that it is a carving machine...

[Woodserson]

OK

So what about a Voile Charger BC in a 170cm for fatness and floatness but short length for quicker turns powered by a pair of t4's or excursions? I think I could be talked into this. What do you guys think? I'm usually a long ski guy, but with 110 underfoot...

I've been watching that KOM video over and over, and I'm pretty sure that guy is in the back seat, turning by pivoting on the tails because they made the tail fat and then mount them forward. There is nothing I dislike more than having to lean back in pow to clear the tips--- one should be evenly balanced over one's feet.

[connyro]

The Chargers are pretty cool. I think they are overkill myself though unless you ski where there's deep snow and real mountains. The scales will drag more than the Vectors. I feel like I get plenty of float on Vectors, and in 180 cm, they are pretty easy to turn in tight trees. I also think you would be pretty much skiing the upper limit of ski fatness with Chargers/light tele boots like Excusions or T4s. They will not tour as well as the Vectors either. I don't ever feel like I need to backseat ski the Vectors. When things get tough on those skis, I tend to get very low in my stance, but never backseat (intentionally at least!) YMMV.

[Woodserson]

Very constructive. Thanks

EDIT you'd be cool with 180cm Vectors and Excursions/T4's?

[connyro]

Very constructive. Thanks

EDIT you'd be cool with 180cm Vectors and Excursions/T4's?

Yes. My setup is 180 Vector BCs, Excursions and Switchbacks. Switch up the SBs for 3-pins if you are a less aggressive skier or plan to tour them more often than turn. I'm from your area and I really wish I had been into BC skiing back then and I wish even more that the VectorBCs or similar skis were available back then, especially when I was living up high in Ellsworth and working at WVV.

[GEO]

Certainly i have been interested in these (have always also had Guides, 10th Mtn, & XCD.

Good Convo (to use the Oz word)