Fischer E-109 vs. Asnes Ingstad

[lilcliffy]

Hmmm...I have grown out of the need for aggressive sidecut- at least when it comes to downhill skiing with my BC-XC setups (e.g. Alpina Alaska NNNBC).

(I do still appreciate sidecut on Telemark setups- with the power to steer skis)

But with or without sidecut- I think that a 270cm ski is clearly a gentle terrain ski...

However-on a lot of my local tours I can plot tours that would keep the slopes manageable enough for a 270cm ski...I typically take in the steeper terrain because I want to- not because I have to.

Well- I want both! A mid-width XCD ski to replace my Eons (too soft), and a mid-width Finnish hunting ski!

[bgregoire]

We'll there is no other way around it, if the instad won't cut it, we're going to have to produce our OWN line of XCD skis. I'm amount a 25 minute drive from a ski and snowboard production shop that, the last i heard, was produced many skis for altai. i don't know, can we get them onboard?

[lilcliffy]

Looking at the specs of both skis, their camber could be quite different. Asnes recommends a 196cm Amundsen while sporten recommends a 170cm ranger at my weight. Actually the Ranger seems more like a stiffer Rossignol BC70 to me.

Yeah- the BC70 is very stiff isn't it? I could never figure out why they don't offer the BC70 with a waxable base....All that stiffness and no grip on cold snow? Strange idea...

Yesterday, I was even able to execute some crazy tele turns on them down a closed forest road (using NNN BC mind you), as long as I really committed myself to the moves (deep lunges, poles in the air a la Barnett).

I am picturing this- very easily- because I have had the same experience many times!

Downhill skiing on a stiff double-cambered ski, in a classic xcountry length, is a wild, wild ride!

I am having fun skiing them for extended periods on one foot. Don't know where that comes from.

Do you mean in K&G or in downhill turns?

and that the only other ski I would look into buying at the moment is something like a waxable Boundless.

The Boundless was the same profile as the S-98- right?

[bgregoire]

I am having fun skiing them for extended periods on one foot. Don't know where that comes from.

Do you mean in K&G or in downhill turns?

Mostly double poling and low angle downs. My point being they are a very stable platform. More than my wider 10th Mtns.

and that the only other ski I would look into buying at the moment is something like a waxable Boundless.

The Boundless was the same profile as the S-98- right?[/quote]

Yup. Came in waxable though. Tut tut.

[MikeK]

Yesterday, I was even able to execute some crazy tele turns on them down a closed forest road (using NNN BC mind you), as long as I really committed myself to the moves (deep lunges, poles in the air a la Barnett).
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Isn't this how you are supposed to do it?

Wasn't I mumbling about that on some other thread? Drive the skis down into the snow! Feel them bend!

[lilcliffy]

Mostly double poling and low angle downs.

Cool. When it comes to downhill skiing on BC-XC equipment, I have come to completely rely on being able to balance on one leg during turn transitions.

I have also been experimenting- with success- with Gamme's "beginner" telemark technique (from the video you posted) of steering the outside/leading ski, and lifting the inside/trailing ski. I find this works well on consolidated snow.

Yup. Came in waxable though. Tut tut.

Yeah-I know. Want one too.

[lilcliffy]

We'll there is no other way around it, if the instad won't cut it, we're going to have to produce our OWN line of XCD skis. I'm amount a 25 minute drive from a ski and snowboard production shop that, the last i heard, was produced many skis for altai. i don't know, can we get them onboard?

Well- I don't know yet whether the Ingstad will cut it...but Gamme's disappointment/surprise with the lack of flotation of the Ingstad doesn't surprise me with a 62mm waist...

Well- I would love to get Altai on board...

[bgregoire]

Yup. Came in waxable though. Tut tut.

Yeah-I know. Want one too.

They got very little camber though...apparently...

[bgregoire]

Yesterday, I was even able to execute some crazy tele turns on them down a closed forest road (using NNN BC mind you), as long as I really committed myself to the moves (deep lunges, poles in the air a la Barnett).
.

Isn't this how you are supposed to do it?

Wasn't I mumbling about that on some other thread? Drive the skis down into the snow! Feel them bend!

Sure, it's not like I invented anything here. I just felt like some crazy madman flying out of control, but somehow staying put on my two feet.

[MikeK]

Sure, it's not like I invented anything here. I just felt like some crazy madman flying out of control, but somehow staying but on my two feet.

Sounds like XCD to me