New to Skiing - Northern Canada

This is the World Famous TelemarkTalk / TelemarkTips Forum, by far the most dynamic telemark and backcountry skiing discussion board on the world wide web. We have fun here, come on in and be a part of it.
User avatar
farnorth
Posts: 10
Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:09 pm

New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by farnorth » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:58 pm

I live in Northwest Territories, Canada, about 100km south of the tundra treeline. I have no experience skiing, but I snowshoe for my camping trips with a pulk - about 50km into the wilderness each way usually. It seems skis would be a lot more efficient but I am unsure what type to get. The temperatures are usually -30°C to -50°C from December to March on my hikes. The snow is deep and soft/medium but very dry and crystalline. Sometimes there are dogsled/snowmobile trails. I travel 80% on completely flat snowy lakes, the rest of the time over windpacked snow covered rock that I may need skins to climb.

I am currently looking at either the Åsnes Amundsen BC, the Åsnes Børge Ousland BC, or the Åsnes Combat NATO BC. I was looking at the OAC XCD BC 160 but they seem too short and the tip seems flat. Whatever I buy I will be using the OAC EA 2.0 Universal Bindings because I wear mukluks with multiple beaver fur/wool liners, anything else is too cold or uncomfortable. I want something that floats well on powder with a big curved sleigh tip to slide through the deep snow on completely flat terrain instead of lifting up every time with my snowshoes. Maybe I'm going in the wrong direction but any tips or recommendations would be appreciated, thank you.

User avatar
Montana St Alum
Posts: 1205
Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:42 pm
Location: Wasatch, Utah
Ski style: Old dog, new school
Favorite Skis: Blizzard Rustler 9/10
Favorite boots: Tx Pro
Occupation: Retired, unemployable

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by Montana St Alum » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:59 pm

Wow, 50 km on snowshoes is IMPRESSIVE! Well, it is to me, anyway, as my limit is closer to 50 m - without the k!
There's an interesting thread about the difficulty of using waxes below -32C, so that option seems unlikely to work.

Maybe something like Altai skis? They look as though they would be a good progression from snowshoes. But yes, I'd guess skis would be easier.



User avatar
GrimSurfer
Posts: 638
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:56 am
Ski style: Nordic Backcountry
Favorite Skis: Yes
Favorite boots: Uh huh

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by GrimSurfer » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:06 pm

Different skiing up there, man. Way past my threshold of experience.

Probably an expedition type ski…. Wide, looong, and something that is suitable for mounting a strap binding for your mukluks. Because nobody wants to be changing boots on the tundra at -50F.

I own a set of mukluks good for -70… heavy and rather unwieldy. So looking for a light ski may be a bit of a fool’s errand (expression, not trying to be rude).

I’d be inclined to go a few sizes higher than your weight range for the glide. Besides, you’d likely be travelling with a bit of a pack on your back…
We dreamed of riding waves of air, water, snow, and energy for centuries. When the conditions were right, the things we needed to achieve this came into being. Every idea man has ever had up to that point about time and space were changed. And it keeps on changing whenever we dream. Bio mechanical jazz, man.



User avatar
lowangle al
Posts: 2755
Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:36 pm
Location: Pocono Mts / Chugach Mts
Ski style: BC with focus on downhill perfection
Favorite Skis: powder skis
Favorite boots: Scarpa T4
Occupation: Retired cement mason. Current job is to take my recreation as serious as I did my past employment.

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by lowangle al » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:52 pm

If there is a lot of deep snow there is no substitute for surface area. I'd go with a wide ski like the Kom. It'll be the most like a snowshoe, but faster. I imagine you'll be pulling a sled so you may want to have a set of skins if you need traction to move ahead.

They sound like great trips. Do you hunt and fish? How about a hot tent?



User avatar
GrimSurfer
Posts: 638
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:56 am
Ski style: Nordic Backcountry
Favorite Skis: Yes
Favorite boots: Uh huh

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by GrimSurfer » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:55 pm

Have you every been to the high north, Al?

Inuvik, Yellowknife, Resolute, and Iqaluit. (Missed the Yukon)

Fortunately in November, before it got really cold. Different place. Pretty incredible people up there.
Last edited by GrimSurfer on Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
We dreamed of riding waves of air, water, snow, and energy for centuries. When the conditions were right, the things we needed to achieve this came into being. Every idea man has ever had up to that point about time and space were changed. And it keeps on changing whenever we dream. Bio mechanical jazz, man.



User avatar
lowangle al
Posts: 2755
Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:36 pm
Location: Pocono Mts / Chugach Mts
Ski style: BC with focus on downhill perfection
Favorite Skis: powder skis
Favorite boots: Scarpa T4
Occupation: Retired cement mason. Current job is to take my recreation as serious as I did my past employment.

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by lowangle al » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:00 pm

I spent over thirty years in Anchorage, while it's not the far north, I did do some winter ski in caribou hunts in the Alaska range. That was before I had a hot tent, I'll never do that again.



User avatar
GrimSurfer
Posts: 638
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:56 am
Ski style: Nordic Backcountry
Favorite Skis: Yes
Favorite boots: Uh huh

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by GrimSurfer » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:02 pm

That counts to me.
We dreamed of riding waves of air, water, snow, and energy for centuries. When the conditions were right, the things we needed to achieve this came into being. Every idea man has ever had up to that point about time and space were changed. And it keeps on changing whenever we dream. Bio mechanical jazz, man.



User avatar
paulzo
Posts: 145
Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:59 pm
Ski style: multi-day touring

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by paulzo » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:53 pm

Looking at the wayyy old school approach to this, if you check out what the folks in the Siberian backwoods still use to get around in the winter, it is wide and long and often with permanently attached skins. Used basically as a snowshoe, since they are on almost entirely flat terrain. Been working for those folks for maybe a couple thousand years, I guess.
The closest modern equivalent might be an altai hok in their biggest size?
Another possibility is the "forest skis" that have been mentioned here on TTips (do a search on this site for those terms).
I've read some cool stuff about canoe trips in that neck of the woods, but never anything about winter excursions up there. We would enjoy reading a trip report from one of your outings - with photos, of course!



mca80
Posts: 1014
Joined: Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:24 pm
Location: Da UP eh
Ski style: Over the river and through the woods
Favorite Skis: Nansen, Finnmark, Kongsvold, Combat NATO, Fischer Superlite, RCS
Favorite boots: Crispi Bre, Hook, Alpina 1600, Alico Ski March, Crispi Mountain

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by mca80 » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:53 pm

Peltonen Metsa Step with the built-in skin in the longest size (270cm?) may be an option. Maybe someone else can weigh in on this. For flat terrain and long distance and a pulk full of gear you want the longest ski possible.



User avatar
lowangle al
Posts: 2755
Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:36 pm
Location: Pocono Mts / Chugach Mts
Ski style: BC with focus on downhill perfection
Favorite Skis: powder skis
Favorite boots: Scarpa T4
Occupation: Retired cement mason. Current job is to take my recreation as serious as I did my past employment.

Re: New to Skiing - Northern Canada

Post by lowangle al » Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:29 am

I'm with Paulzo on this. In most parts of the ancient ski world wide skis were the norm except for Finland, as far as I know. I think wider skis would be a lot more stable and maneuverable. The thing that my wide modern powder boards have in common with long Finnish forest skis is surface area. I once estimated the surface area of my powder skis and compared it to the surface area of a typical Finnish ski and they were almost identical.



Post Reply