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Meidjo combined with proper tech heel?

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:41 pm
by MacL3an
I was thinking if it would be possible to combine the Meidjo binding with a "real" tech heel from say ATK or Dynafit, instead of the Meidjo alpine heel? This way, if I put the telemark bidning in walk mode (i.e. lock down the NTN part), I would be able to use the binding for alpine skiing both with telemark boots and with classic AT boots.
I realise of course there will be no warranty and M Equipment is not responsible for the release setting of this setup.

Has anyone tried this? Or do you see any problems? I was thinking if perhaps there was a height difference or something to take into account. Or do you need the "red plate" of the Meidjo when telemark skiing?

Re: Meidjo combined with proper tech heel?

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:32 am
by mfjelddalen
Hight might be a issue, would check meidjo up against several different at bindings, and see if anyone matches. The main problem would be releasability. As you wrote, if you put the binding i "walk mode", which interfere with the releasability for the to part. The binding/frontsprings are not allow to work as designed, same principe goes for tele tech as any AT binding. Further, with telemarkshoes with a bellow, will interfere with vertical/forward releasability of the back binding.
See video link:

You need som sort of puck/shim to compensate for the flex of the bellows

Re: Meidjo combined with proper tech heel?

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:07 pm
by MacL3an
mfjelddalen wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:32 am
Hight might be a issue, would check meidjo up against several different at bindings, and see if anyone matches. The main problem would be releasability. As you wrote, if you put the binding i "walk mode", which interfere with the releasability for the to part. The binding/frontsprings are not allow to work as designed, same principe goes for tele tech as any AT binding. Further, with telemarkshoes with a bellow, will interfere with vertical/forward releasability of the back binding.
See video link:

You need som sort of puck/shim to compensate for the flex of the bellows
Sorry for being unclear. With "walk mode" I was referring to the NTN part of the binding, not the toe piece. I would of course not want to put the toe piece in walk mode when skiing down alpine style. I see three use-cases and potential problems with each one:

1. Using the setup for with an AT boot
Here I'm thinking problems might arise if there is a big height difference or if the toe piece of the Meidjo has a different clamping power than a standard AT binding?

2. Using the setup for "telemark skiing" with a telemark boot
I'm thinking I can't mount the Meidjo heel raiser (i.e. the red plate) together with a tech heel. So here I'm wondering if I need the "red plate" when skiing downhill? Or is it ok for the heel of the telemark boot to rest on the ski itself?

3. Using the setup for "alpine skiing" with a telemark boot
This relates to the video you linked. But in case of the Meidjo, I'm thinking the NTN part would still be there to support the boot (like the shim in the video does)? The question is if I can just put the NTN part in walk mode (to get proper release values?), so basically the same as in the video. Or if I have to "click in" to the NTN part (which would mess up the release value with the tech heel) or if

Re: Meidjo combined with proper tech heel?

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:31 am
by mfjelddalen
1.
If you could check the specs for meidjo, and find the hight of the red heel, than its easy to find/measure the backparts of AT bindings, and find a similar hight. I guess you have some wiggle room (+/- some mm). The releasability for the AT bindings work isolated from the toepiece. By that I mean that DIN-values that i binding have is due to lateral/vertical force. Some bindings have better interaction between toe and heel piece, which might make them safer, etc. But the DIN does not get affected
2.
Technically, you can ski without the heel riser. But probably not comfortable, nor convenient in the long run. You need something that your heel can lean on, so your boot is level.
3.
Meidjo sells and AT heel piece, and you ride it in ski mode, see link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4jyLqQbEGM. But you could probably do both with a normal AT binding, but most likely you would need some testing. Othervise, Its the same as question 1. Releaseability of the AT heel piece is independent from toe piece.