Wildly speculative talk about Asnes 21-22 lineup: Otto/FT62

[CwmRaider]

It'll be different but is it different enough to justify two skis?

I hope you don't take offence at me saying, but this is a funny question coming from you (and would be funny from many others in this forum me included)
Clearly there is overlap in functionality between most of these skis. I get several because i can, and i like to feel the difference and hone my skills while playing to the strengths of the different skis while finding their (and my) limits. There is something for everyone.
A few years ago I spent 3 years skiing on E109 crown without even realising that they had nordic rocker, I had never even heard of the term. That is to say, if I had to I would have just one pair and be happy on all my outings. That could be any one of the skis discussed here.

[Woodserson]

It'll be different but is it different enough to justify two skis?

I hope you don't take offence at me saying, but this is a funny question coming from you (and would be funny from many others in this forum me included)
Clearly there is overlap in functionality between most of these skis. I get several because i can, and i like to feel the difference and hone my skills while playing to the strengths of the different skis while finding their (and my) limits. There is something for everyone.
A few years ago I spent 3 years skiing on E109 crown without even realising that they had nordic rocker, I had never even heard of the term. That is to say, if I had to I would have just one pair and be happy on all my outings. That could be any one of the skis discussed here.

I'm trying to keep the conversation somewhat rational for those that come here looking for good advice and only want a reasonable number of skis... you don't NEED every single Asnes ski when there is sufficient overlap between them.

If I wrote my opinion all the time in complete disregard for this it would be: BUY THEM ALL and that's just not useful.



I'm trying to be normal. Probably failing at it.

[Nitram Tocrut]

I'm trying to keep the conversation somewhat rational for those that come here looking for good advice and only want a reasonable number of skis... you don't NEED every single Asnes ski when there is sufficient overlap between them.

If I wrote my opinion all the time in complete disregard for this it would be: BUY THEM ALL and that's just not useful.



I'm trying to be normal. Probably failing at it.

Be warned! I came here for advice and I have since bought 3 different Asnes skis, 2 Voile, 1 used Karhu and 1used Annum…and I am struggling not to go buy the new FT and the Sverdrup, and…

Before TTalk I skied for decades on 3 pairs of used Europa 99 and a pair of track ski bought for 10$ at a drift store… once you got the GAS it’s almost impossible to fight it off… but if I have to be addicted to something I am quite happy it is to Nordic skiing and skis…

And now, I am starting to have a collection of 3 pins leather boots as I jump in the occasion to buy used one whenever a good occasion arise. @bgregoire nit even close to your collection still… I try to rationalize it by saying that our guests can use them… but they are too large for most of them… so the best is just to embrace it… don’t change a thing @Woodserson we all benefit from you demoing skis for us

[jyw5]

I caved. I just ordered the 175cm Sverdrup with manual NNN BC bindings. they should arrive shortly after Thanksgiving.

I skiied on my 172cm FT62 for the 1st time in 6 months yesterday and they were pretty awesome. It handled the deep snow very well. There's still some rocks despite the huge snowfall. Frigid cold 5F at the parking lot at 1pm.
It was a nice 1000ft drop down the ridge. The very conservative meandering track on the left is mine. The FT62 as we know is great when the snow is perfect. As soon as the snow is not (like if you ski across a skin track or someone elses old track, be prepared to bend your knees and concentrate to stay balanced). I have faceplanted quite a few times from uneven/mixed terrain going pretty fast. I expect the Sverdrup to be more forgiving and do better on the flats and packed/groomed hard icy trails (FT62 does horribly...have to watch myself at the end of the day when skiing back to the parking lot on the nordic trail).

[CwmRaider]

On a completely personal level of what I want: I was hoping for less rocker than the Ingstad up front-- I wanted the shallower Gamme rocker rather than pronounced Ingstad rocker. BUT I always wanted a 200 Ingstad instead of the 205, so this might be what this ski becomes more for me, rather than a 205 Gamme.

How much rocker do the Ingstad and Gamme have in terms of height?
I just measured two rockered skis here, the Otto Sverdrup 205 cm with its 40cm from tip and the E99 crown from 2014, 200cm, with 52cm from the tip.
The points of uncompressed contact separate out by 12mm when the skis are squashed together, that is to say the rocker per ski is max 6mm.
The E99 crown is similar, but the curvature is stronger at that point so its more difficult to determine precisely.

[Woodserson]

On a completely personal level of what I want: I was hoping for less rocker than the Ingstad up front-- I wanted the shallower Gamme rocker rather than pronounced Ingstad rocker. BUT I always wanted a 200 Ingstad instead of the 205, so this might be what this ski becomes more for me, rather than a 205 Gamme.

How much rocker do the Ingstad and Gamme have in terms of height?
I just measured two rockered skis here, the Otto Sverdrup 205 cm with its 40cm from tip and the E99 crown from 2014, 200cm, with 52cm from the tip.
The points of uncompressed contact separate out by 12mm when the skis are squashed together, that is to say the rocker per ski is max 6mm.
The E99 crown is similar, but the curvature is stronger at that point so its more difficult to determine precisely.

I marked the point of contact when ski pair was uncompressed and then measured at that location for rocker height.
Length was measured diagonally from top of tip to new point-of-contact when skis were compressed.

200cm Gamme: 38cm long from tip and 5mm tall or 2.5mm each ski
'15 205 E99: 49cm from tip and 6.5mm tall or 3.25mm each ski
205 Ingstad: 45cm from tip and 12mm tall or 6mm each ski

It seems like the Otto Sverdrup has the rocker length of the Gamme but the height of the Ingstad.

[lilcliffy]

Thank you so much for the detailed information on the new Sverdrup ski- including the very helpful comparison with the other skis.

More significant rocker than the Gamme- expected.

More camber and stiffness underfoot than the Nansen- expected.

Not as stiff as the Combat Nato underfoot- this is not expected...

I have two 205cm Ingstad BC at the house- they are both near identical in terms of stiffness, but the newer ski has a higher initial camber. Having put a lot of snow under my first pair- I don't know whether this slightly lower-profile camber on the older pair is the result of construction or the result of use...

Regardless- I would rate the stiffness underfoot of the Ingstad(s) and my Combat Nato as near identical (the flex pattern is completely different).

Having never even handled a current Nansen-

I am confused...

If the Sverdrup ski is softer underfoot than the Combat Nato- it would suggest that the Sverdrup is softer underfoot than the Ingstad as well...

Let's assume for a moment that my Combat Nato is a bit softer underfoot than Roelant's (due to use or just difference in wood core properties)-

Regardless, this still suggests that at most the Sverdrup and the Ingstad are of similar stiffness underfoot...

So- if the Sverdrup is not a more efficient XC ski than the Ingstad...

The other point I am confused about is the camber and stiffness underfoot of the Nansen vs Ingstad-

I am sure I read the UTE test last winter- with resistance actually measured- that the Nansen and the Ingstad had similar stiffness underfoot? I must have this wrong...

Regardless- I would have expected the camber and stiffness underfoot to be greater for the Sverdrup ski than the Ingstad...

[Woodserson]

Regardless- I would rate the stiffness underfoot of the Ingstad(s) and my Combat Nato as near identical (the flex pattern is completely different).

Yes, same here. I agree. My Ingstad has a higher initial camber, but in the squeeze they feel identical when they bottom out.

I am sure I read the UTE test last winter- with resistance actually measured- that the Nansen and the Ingstad had similar stiffness underfoot? I must have this wrong...

It absolutely has to, very different. The Nansen is significantly softer, with lower initial camber AND I can get the bases closer together than the Ingstad

Regardlkess- I would have expected the camber and stiffness underfoot to be greater for the Sverdrup ski than the Ingstad...

Yes, that was my expectation as well. otherwise what's the point. We shall see...

[John Dee]

Not as stiff as the Combat Nato underfoot- this is not expected...

He said a 205 Sverdup isn't as stiff as the 210 combat nato. Can we assume that to mean one is less stiff?

[lilcliffy]

Regardless- I would rate the stiffness underfoot of the Ingstad(s) and my Combat Nato as near identical (the flex pattern is completely different).

Yes, same here. I agree. My Ingstad has a higher initial camber, but in the squeeze they feel identical when they bottom out.

My older Ingstad BC and Combat Nato have similar camber profile and stiffness underfoot- the newer Ingstad BC (that has barely been used- essentially new) has a higher intial camber.

I am sure I read the UTE test last winter- with resistance actually measured- that the Nansen and the Ingstad had similar stiffness underfoot? I must have this wrong...

It absolutely has to, very different. The Nansen is significantly softer, with lower initial camber AND I can get the bases closer together than the Ingstad

Ok- so that helps a lot. This is also consistent with Roelant's comparison of his Nansen vs Sverdrup.

So the Sverdrup will have more XC K&G snap than the Nansen-

But- if the Sverdrup is less cambered and resistant than the Combat Nato? Again- I am confused...

Regardlkess- I would have expected the camber and stiffness underfoot to be greater for the Sverdrup ski than the Ingstad...

Yes, that was my expectation as well. otherwise what's the point. We shall see...

Yes we shall! I have a growing theory about these skis- I am going to wait to ponder on it more until a certain package arrives...