Long trips, deep snow, but very low angle

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lilcliffy
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Re: Long trips, deep snow, but very low angle

Post by lilcliffy » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:18 am

Krummholz wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:07 pm
What about a Fischer TRANSNORDIC 82 EASY SKIN XTRALITE in 206cm, 82-60-70 mm, wax? Long, wide, stiff. So made to go straight and as fast a possible on a wide ski in deep snow.
Note that if the current TN82 is the same design as the last-gen E-109 Xtralite- it is not stiff- at all- and is totally unstable in deep snow. And the round, low-profile tip couple with the very soft significantly rockered shovel make them terrible at breaking trail in deep snow.

If the TN82 has a more stable flex than the E109XL- please ignore my statements above.
I would like to buy, but only on sale, I’m a cheap dirtbag skier that got the Asnes USGI 200cm,
The Asnes USGI (MT65) on the other hand- while very heavy- is rock solid stable in deep snow- and the high-profile, triangular tip- with zero rocker- makes them a trail-breaking machine.
I don’t think any ski “floats” on top of snow, in deep Rockies powder I’m lucky if I’m only ankle deep as opposed to boot top deep.
This↑ is perhaps too absolute a statement (because IMO experience it greatly depends on the nature of the deep snow- in particular how much moisture there is in it)- but- regardless- a highly relevant statement-
the current trend is to obsess over flotation in general-
the only skis that really float in truly deep soft powder snow are VERY wide underfoot and are tuned for downhill skiing (or shuffling around in dense boreal forest)- and the downhill designs have wide, round, low-profile rockered tips and shovels- that encourage planing-
planing can only occur at downhill speeds- no one can XC ski fast enough in truly deep soft snow for a ski to plane.

XC skiing in truly deep soft snow is about stability, and techniques that involve efficient movement through the snow- not on top of it- and the ancient dance of balancing grip and glide.
For example- I float much higher in the snow collumn on my Altai Hok than my Combat NATO- but, I can travel much more efficiently on the Combat ski, despite being deeper in the snow.
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
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