asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by Nitram Tocrut » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:11 pm

Roelant wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:45 am
Oh well. Snow has come to Central Norway. And it didn't take more than 36 hours and spotting a good deal for my honorable resolve to do it all with 1 pair of BC skis, to evaporate.
This afternoon I spotted FT62s in 196cm 30% off.
I just ordered them mounted with Rottefella ST Hardwire bindings and 10mm riser plates.
Welcome to FT62 paradise!

I can’t wait to read your report on the 196 cm. Waiting for the snow to try mine. Sold my 188 as I expect even better K&G out of the 196. I know it’s not a ski primarily intended for XC but I am curious to read what you think of the sacrifice of XC performance for way better turn ability as compared to your Nansen.

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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by Stephen » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:05 pm

Roelant wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:45 am
Oh well. Snow has come to Central Norway. And it didn't take more than 36 hours and spotting a good deal for my honorable resolve to do it all with 1 pair of BC skis, to evaporate.
This afternoon I spotted FT62s in 196cm 30% off.
I just ordered them mounted with Rottefella ST Hardwire bindings and 10mm riser plates.
Where did you find them at 30% off?
Any chance they ship to the US?
At the beginning of the season, that’s a great deal.
Also, what is the purpose of the riser plate?



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by CwmRaider » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:02 pm

Stephen wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:05 pm

Where did you find them at 30% off?
Any chance they ship to the US?
At the beginning of the season, that’s a great deal.
Also, what is the purpose of the riser plate?
I ordered them here:
https://www.oslosportslager.no/produkt/ ... 51642.aspx

No idea if they ship to outside Norway. A history search here says that they didn't in 2017.
Note that Norwegian prices include 25% sales tax which would be deductible if shipped abroad. So potentially pretty cheap.
The bindings were also 30% off. I can buy Rottefella gear 30% cheaper directly from the factory with my union membership as well, but it's nice to have them mounted professionally.

The 10mm riser plates are there because I like the climbing wires, and also because it would allow me to switch around the main bindings, Rottefella ST Hardwire cable, with the Voile 3 pin cables on my Nansens on the fly, if I find one or the other more suited to XC as opposed to more vertical tours.



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by Woodserson » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:57 pm

Roelant wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:02 pm

The 10mm riser plates are there because I like the climbing wires, and also because it would allow me to switch around the main bindings, Rottefella ST Hardwire cable, with the Voile 3 pin cables on my Nansens on the fly, if I find one or the other more suited to XC as opposed to more vertical tours.
if it's a plastic riser. you only get so many times you can screw into it. remember to turn the screw backwards until you here and feel it "click" of it dropping in place and then screw in normally, this way the threads will follow the old pathways, do less damage, and not pull out as easy. Voile told me they are comfortably with 3 binding changes on their plastic riser. Your comfort level may be different, of course. Just something to keep in mind.



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by jalp » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:58 pm

Woodserson wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:57 pm
Roelant wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:02 pm

The 10mm riser plates are there because I like the climbing wires, and also because it would allow me to switch around the main bindings, Rottefella ST Hardwire cable, with the Voile 3 pin cables on my Nansens on the fly, if I find one or the other more suited to XC as opposed to more vertical tours.
if it's a plastic riser. you only get so many times you can screw into it. remember to turn the screw backwards until you here and feel it "click" of it dropping in place and then screw in normally, this way the threads will follow the old pathways, do less damage, and not pull out as easy. Voile told me they are comfortably with 3 binding changes on their plastic riser. Your comfort level may be different, of course. Just something to keep in mind.
Has anyone here set plastic risers up with something like Binding Freedom inserts? That would, in theory at least, allow for unlimited binding changes. I've set inserts in skis but not in riser tops and I don't see why it wouldn't work there as well.



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by Tom M » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:19 pm

Roelant wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:02 pm

I ordered them here:
https://www.oslosportslager.no/produkt/ ... 51642.aspx

No idea if they ship to outside Norway. A history search here says that they didn't in 2017.
I just emailed them

Hi Tom,

Thank you for the request.

Unfortunately we don’t ship international.

Best regards
Eivind
Oslo Sportslager

:(



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by fisheater » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:39 pm

Good luck Roelant with the new FT’s. I hope you find them enjoyable.

Nitram, I envy (but, am happy for you) your backyard. I believe you will be quite satisfied with your new FT. I have so much faith in your decision that I will offer to purchase them right now! Of course I would expect a substantial discount seeing that they are previously mounted ;) !
Really, I think you will be pleased with them. Looking forward to your reviews and photos!



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by Woodserson » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:11 pm

jalp wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:58 pm
Woodserson wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:57 pm
Roelant wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:02 pm

The 10mm riser plates are there because I like the climbing wires, and also because it would allow me to switch around the main bindings, Rottefella ST Hardwire cable, with the Voile 3 pin cables on my Nansens on the fly, if I find one or the other more suited to XC as opposed to more vertical tours.
if it's a plastic riser. you only get so many times you can screw into it. remember to turn the screw backwards until you here and feel it "click" of it dropping in place and then screw in normally, this way the threads will follow the old pathways, do less damage, and not pull out as easy. Voile told me they are comfortably with 3 binding changes on their plastic riser. Your comfort level may be different, of course. Just something to keep in mind.
Has anyone here set plastic risers up with something like Binding Freedom inserts? That would, in theory at least, allow for unlimited binding changes. I've set inserts in skis but not in riser tops and I don't see why it wouldn't work there as well.
It depends on the riser and what's underneath. They are not necessarily a plastic box, but weight-optimized and hollow underneath with plastic stringers underneath, there may not be enough material to drive in an insert.

But I really like where you're going with this.



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by fisheater » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:50 pm

Woodserson wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:11 pm
jalp wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:58 pm
Woodserson wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:57 pm


if it's a plastic riser. you only get so many times you can screw into it. remember to turn the screw backwards until you here and feel it "click" of it dropping in place and then screw in normally, this way the threads will follow the old pathways, do less damage, and not pull out as easy. Voile told me they are comfortably with 3 binding changes on their plastic riser. Your comfort level may be different, of course. Just something to keep in mind.
Has anyone here set plastic risers up with something like Binding Freedom inserts? That would, in theory at least, allow for unlimited binding changes. I've set inserts in skis but not in riser tops and I don't see why it wouldn't work there as well.
It depends on the riser and what's underneath. They are not necessarily a plastic box, but weight-optimized and hollow underneath with plastic stringers underneath, there may not be enough material to drive in an insert.

But I really like where you're going with this.
On the Voile’ riser it should be easy enough to use a barrel bolt and machine screw. Something along the lines of this:
https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Detai ... 26%20Bolts



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Re: asnes Ingstad waxless vs BC/waxable

Post by Woodserson » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:57 pm

fisheater wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:50 pm


On the Voile’ riser it should be easy enough to use a barrel bolt and machine screw. Something along the lines of this:
https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Detai ... 26%20Bolts
Hey! Are you interested in trying this and writing a thread about it!?



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