DPS Phantom 2.0

[pinetop12]

Anyone else considered trying this product?

[Montana St Alum]

I tried it. I didn't see a huge benefit.
But I only used skins on the pair of skis (Rustler 10) a couple of times. Most of the time I was inbounds.
If you use it on a pair of skis that you use skins on a lot, it may reduce the degree to which glue adheres to the base, though.

This review is pretty accurate.
https://www.wildsnow.com/25799/phantom- ... ps-review/

[pinetop12]

Thanks.

The link and comments were a nice read.

I'll certainly consider adding Phantom to the next set of skis I buy if offered at purchase.

I'm 95% + lift service and am mostly looking to avoid the 'grabbing effect' on skis during increasingly warm ski days, especially as you approach the lifts.

Thanks for responding.

Bishop BMF/R on Liberty Variant 87 Skis
BMF/R3 Rossignol Expericnce 88 and 94's
Scarpa T Race ,red
Bishop ready: Blizzard, Magnum 8.0, / K2 Amp Rictor 90 XTI

[Woodserson]

Thanks.

The link and comments were a nice read.

I'll certainly consider adding Phantom to the next set of skis I buy if offered at purchase.

I'm 95% + lift service and am mostly looking to avoid the 'grabbing effect' on skis during increasingly warm ski days, especially as you approach the lifts.

Thanks for responding.

Bishop BMF/R on Liberty Variant 87 Skis
BMF/R3 Rossignol Expericnce 88 and 94's
Scarpa T Race ,red
Bishop ready: Blizzard, Magnum 8.0, / K2 Amp Rictor 90 XTI

You would probably really benefit from a wet snow structure in your existing ski base. Wintersteiger machines can put down a district chevron wet snow pattern. I got this on my frontside skis and it's RIDICULOUSLY fast in wet, warm snow. I will take a picture in a few days and post it for you. Very effective. It would probably do far more than wax selection.

[Montana St Alum]

The claim is that the DPS process penetrates into the running surface. When I had the 2.0 applied (REI did it. It wasn't that expensive and they had the UV lights and expertise) it was on a brand new pair of skis.
The first few runs, the skis were a bit grabby, but that quickly went away.
Later in the year, I had them bottom ground and there was no noticeable degradation. My understanding is that the process only works on sintered (not extruded) bases, but I don't see why you couldn't apply the 2.0 and then grind the bases on a Wintersteiger for the chevron pattern.

From: https://offpistemag.com/dps-phantom/ February, 2021

"But remember, your ski bases still require maintenance even with PHANTOM. If you keep them clean and buffed, PHANTOM will keep you sliding. You can even get a base grind to restore that factory finish. The grind will simply reveal fresh base with the full benefits of PHANTOM. Although, I had PHANTOM factory applied by DPS, you can have it done by an authorized local shop or even do it yourself. It’s worth noting that I have heard less-than-stellar reports of PHANTOM performance from a couple of skiers who tried the DIY application. So, if possibe, I recommend the factory or authorized shop application – these guys use a special UV curing box for the process."

I agree. This doesn't prevent some accumulation of junk, so keeping the base clean helps.
I've also heard of DIY issues. The UV machine provides very specific wavelength and coverage. The UV from the sun will work, but I doubt it is as consistent or has the exact coverage tip to tail as that put out by the machine process.

[pinetop12]

Interesting.
This past week I dropped my Rossignol Experience 88's off at a local shop. I asked for this service. :

(A precision stone grind is applied to refresh the structure and flatten the base. (See the details on our Wintersteiger RS 350). Base and side edge finished by hand. Hot wax is applied by hand and allowed to cool before being scraped and brushed.)

I didn't know, to ask for a specific pattern nor did they offer. I suspect the skis haven't been worked on yet and could call and ask if preferred patterns are offered. These skis have never been in a shop , 2+ years of use.
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My Rossignol 94's are new. So after reading your reply, I checked for the pattern, = (roughly 45+ degree, diagonal pattern, )

Any guess on how many ski days the 'structure ' pattern lasts?

Thanks ,

[Woodserson]

Interesting.
This past week I dropped my Rossignol Experience 88's off at a local shop. I asked for this service. :

(A precision stone grind is applied to refresh the structure and flatten the base. (See the details on our Wintersteiger RS 350). Base and side edge finished by hand. Hot wax is applied by hand and allowed to cool before being scraped and brushed.)

I didn't know, to ask for a specific pattern nor did they offer. I suspect the skis haven't been worked on yet and could call and ask if preferred patterns are offered. These skis have never been in a shop , 2+ years of use.
,
My Rossignol 94's are new. So after reading your reply, I checked for the pattern, = (roughly 45+ degree, diagonal pattern, )

Any guess on how many ski days the 'structure ' pattern lasts?

Thanks ,

Two years strong on mine. I’m not home but I’ll take a picture. It’s very chevron shaped. I’m getting it on all my skis.

[pinetop12]

In hindsight, over the years I may have botched the bottom of my skis, concerning structure.
Kinda disappointing that this may be self-inflicted.
I've used a block sander trying to repair/dress up the ski base bottoms,' from the nicks and scratches caused by daily use and likely sanded away whatever structure the skis came with. Without the' structure' the' grabbing' I'm experiencing, is likely from my own 'repair' efforts.
If resurfacing on a Wintersteiger can solve my issues, I'd rather go that route.
Thanks, for posting your views on DPS and resurfacing skis, and other tips.

Thanks.