Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
- Skirciak Pirciak
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- Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:41 am
- Location: Slovakia
- Ski style: Backcountry
- Favorite Skis: Sporten Explorer skin
- Favorite boots: Alpina Wyoming
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Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Hi Gareth
I just examined skis at home and maybe my floor is not evenly flat, but I can barely fit my credit card under the ski, in the area of wax pocket...There can be at the most half of the open wax pocket...
Hopefully, manufacturer's weight charts are correct and I will be able to do some glides....
I rented some pair of older classic XC skis during the weekend for ungroomed track and those things were flying.
My friend on sporten explorer was way behind my
Thank you
BR Stefan
I just examined skis at home and maybe my floor is not evenly flat, but I can barely fit my credit card under the ski, in the area of wax pocket...There can be at the most half of the open wax pocket...
Hopefully, manufacturer's weight charts are correct and I will be able to do some glides....
I rented some pair of older classic XC skis during the weekend for ungroomed track and those things were flying.
My friend on sporten explorer was way behind my
Thank you
BR Stefan
- Skirciak Pirciak
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- Ski style: Backcountry
- Favorite Skis: Sporten Explorer skin
- Favorite boots: Alpina Wyoming
- Occupation: Project manager
Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Finally, ready to go
Thanks again for your advice
BR Stefan
Thanks again for your advice
BR Stefan
- lilcliffy
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Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Very exciting Stefan!!
Thank you for sharing all of this with us and please keep us updated on your Nordic skiing story!
Gareth
Thank you for sharing all of this with us and please keep us updated on your Nordic skiing story!
Gareth
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
- Skirciak Pirciak
- Posts: 11
- Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:41 am
- Location: Slovakia
- Ski style: Backcountry
- Favorite Skis: Sporten Explorer skin
- Favorite boots: Alpina Wyoming
- Occupation: Project manager
Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Hi Guys
Yesterday I did my first run in pretty steep terrain. 1200 meters incline on 13 km
I met just alpine tourists along the way.
Going up was fine, effortless. Skin gripped well even on ice
Going down...it was not so fine.
I had to take off the skis and walk
I was not not in the control of the skis
I was not able to do proper snowplow or turn
It is true, that I was standing on skis third time in my life, but I did better on old narrow fishscales XC skis, without steel edges a week before
I have read, that skin is not so good in lateral, side movement and I felt that ( I was expecting that I will be able to do some telemark : D )
Hopefully I get better
PS: These Alpina Wyoming boots are great. For riding and walking as well
Have a nice rest of the weekend
BR Stefan
Yesterday I did my first run in pretty steep terrain. 1200 meters incline on 13 km
I met just alpine tourists along the way.
Going up was fine, effortless. Skin gripped well even on ice
Going down...it was not so fine.
I had to take off the skis and walk
I was not not in the control of the skis
I was not able to do proper snowplow or turn
It is true, that I was standing on skis third time in my life, but I did better on old narrow fishscales XC skis, without steel edges a week before
I have read, that skin is not so good in lateral, side movement and I felt that ( I was expecting that I will be able to do some telemark : D )
Hopefully I get better
PS: These Alpina Wyoming boots are great. For riding and walking as well
Have a nice rest of the weekend
BR Stefan
- lilcliffy
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- Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska BC; Lundhags Expedition; Alfa Skaget XP; Scarpa T4
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Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Wow- Stefan, those photos are spectacular!
I had no idea there were mountains like that in Slovakia!!
What are the names of the mountain ranges?
In that photo with you and the ski raised on its tip- why is the snow all rutted and broken up like that?
I particularly love that last photo! That untracked slope just screams to be charged down!!!
I had no idea there were mountains like that in Slovakia!!
What are the names of the mountain ranges?
In that photo with you and the ski raised on its tip- why is the snow all rutted and broken up like that?
I particularly love that last photo! That untracked slope just screams to be charged down!!!
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
- lilcliffy
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- Favorite Skis: Asnes Ingstad, Combat Nato, Amundsen, Rabb 68; Altai Kom
- Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska BC; Lundhags Expedition; Alfa Skaget XP; Scarpa T4
- Occupation: Forestry Professional
Instructor at Maritime College of Forest Technology
Husband, father, farmer and logger
Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Yum I love vertical terrain. I love downhill skiing, but you know I love climbing as well!Skirciak Pirciak wrote:Hi Guys
Yesterday I did my first run in pretty steep terrain. 1200 meters incline on 13 km
Were they skiing? If so- what equipment were they using?I met just alpine tourists along the way.
A number of thoughts-Going up was fine, effortless. Skin gripped well even on ice
Going down...it was not so fine.
I had to take off the skis and walk
I was not not in the control of the skis
I was not able to do proper snowplow or turn
It is true, that I was standing on skis third time in my life, but I did better on old narrow fishscales XC skis, without steel edges a week before
I have read, that skin is not so good in lateral, side movement and I felt that ( I was expecting that I will be able to do some telemark : D )
Your descriptions of this ski suggest that it is very stiff, with a XC camber. This type of ski is very challenging to turn as you must aggressively, fully-weight the ski in order to try and make them turn. For example- I use striding and jump turns on my E-99 if I want to ski a tight line; and aggressively-weighted Alpine turns when I am on compacted snow and have the space to turn them. On a long, truly double-cambered ski, I can only make a true, equally-weighted telemark turn when the snow is soft and supportive, and the terrain is moderate, and I have loads of room to ride that enormous-radius arc!!
The other variable is that ski has a XC sidecut-profile as well- designed to track straight, not turn.
Being able to manage those skis on steep terrain and difficult snow is a tall order for the most experienced skier!
You will most certainly get better!!! My advice if you are new to Nordic skiing is rack up as many miles as you can on gentle to moderate terrain. Classic XC skiing on less steep will build strength, and balance- this will help you on steep terrain!Hopefully I get better
That is good news, Alpina is doing great things with their BC-XC boots!PS: These Alpina Wyoming boots are great. For riding and walking as well
At some point, you may want to try a more supportive boot on that mountainous terrain- see if it makes a difference on those steep slopes.
Thank you for the update Stefan!Have a nice rest of the weekend
BR Stefan
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
- Skirciak Pirciak
- Posts: 11
- Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:41 am
- Location: Slovakia
- Ski style: Backcountry
- Favorite Skis: Sporten Explorer skin
- Favorite boots: Alpina Wyoming
- Occupation: Project manager
Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Hi Gareth
*We have a quite a lot of mountains here with a lot of forrests. Unfortunately, We also have a lot of Mother.uckers, sitting in the government who decided to cut down these forrests in the interest of their self-enrichment..But we are fighting back
i did some further runs and it gets better
Thanks & have a nice day
BR Stefan
These in the background are High TatrasWhat are the names of the mountain ranges?
*We have a quite a lot of mountains here with a lot of forrests. Unfortunately, We also have a lot of Mother.uckers, sitting in the government who decided to cut down these forrests in the interest of their self-enrichment..But we are fighting back
i have no idea, but it is a quit windy spot. One of the highest points of Slovakiawhy is the snow all rutted and broken up like that?
They were skiing freeride, using alpine touring skisWere they skiing? If so- what equipment were they using?
i did some further runs and it gets better
Thanks & have a nice day
BR Stefan
Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
In my experience, skis with an integrated skin are very tough to ski downhill on anything other than soft powder. Anything a little firm or warm and the skins grab and release in a way that's hard to predict. Additionally, once you edge the skis in a turn, the skins are no longer dragging on the snow which causes a fore/aft imbalance that's really hard to compensate for.
- Inspiredcapers
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Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Reading this was very encouraging regarding getting better at skiing more advanced terrain. It’s sometimes frustrating to not be able to tackle terrain I wouldn’t think twice about on Alpine gear.
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Skiing…falling downhill…pretty much the same thing for this klutz.
- lilcliffy
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Re: Permanent integrated Skin in BC skis Sporten Explorer Skin
Wonderful update Stefan!!!
I truly had no idea that mountainous topography and ecology was found in Slovakia (not that I know anything about Slovakia!!! )
Love that pic of you charging up that slope in your Nordic boots!!!
Gareth
I truly had no idea that mountainous topography and ecology was found in Slovakia (not that I know anything about Slovakia!!! )
Love that pic of you charging up that slope in your Nordic boots!!!
Gareth
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.