Scarpa T2 Eco/boot fit question

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Re: Scarpa T2 Eco/boot fit question

Post by dnt_upton » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:26 am

2fifty6 wrote:Also, I've heard both that Scarpas tend to be skinny/comfortable for low volume feet and that Scarpas tend to be wider/higher volume than other brands. For the newest models, which statement is true?
It's hard to answer that because brands have changed. Garmont used to accommodate wide feet, took a turn for narrow, and now (as Scott) seems to have a little of both. Two good boot fitting articles:

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-101/b ... itting-101

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-101/b ... -and-myths

I know folks who've purchased both sizes online and then returned the one that didn't fit. $30 to ensure the right fit. Probably worth it, but if you have a local shop, I'd check them out and see how close to the online price they can match.

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Re: Scarpa T2 Eco/boot fit question

Post by 2fifty6 » Sat May 07, 2016 4:14 pm

Thought I'd update this thread with where I am now.

I was able to find a place that would let me order both a pair of 28s and a pair of 29s at a reasonable price and send back the ones that didn't fit. I've gone back and forth a bit on them, but I think I've settled on the size 28 boots. They felt unbearably tight at first--indeed, my heel and pinky toe were falling asleep--but two things helped that a bit. First, I took out the footbeds. Second, I got some proper thin ski boot liner socks. Those things combined made the fit much more comfortable. I was worried for a while that my high instep was part of the problem and would force me to the 29s (which I could tell right away were too long), but with those adjustments I don't think that's the case.

I'm hopeful that getting the liners properly molded will take care of the remaining discomfort, since it's probably just a matter of getting a couple mm of extra width in a place or two. (I was able to wear the boots around my apartment for an hour or two this morning, and they felt a little tight at times, but it's no longer debilitating discomfort like it was at first.) How much adjustment does heat molding make possible? Can the liner be compacted a fair amount in places where more room is needed?

As far as the original problem (tightness around the calf), you were right: the smaller boots are slightly shorter, which helps significantly with that part of the fit.



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Re: Scarpa T2 Eco/boot fit question

Post by EarlS » Sat May 07, 2016 8:21 pm

This link tells how to fit a tele boot http://www.nstelemark.com/NSTelemark/Te ... tting.html
There are several statements which directly address your fitting questions. The following is a quick summary of his procedure:

Step 1 - measure your foot in centimeters, which you have already done.
Step 2 - fit the shell. You want to be in the smallest shell you can get. Remove the liner and put your bare foot in the shell. You want about 1 cm between your heel and the back of the shell with your toes touching the front of the shell
Step 3 - fit the liner. Use a very thin sock - i.e. a liner sock not a thick ski sock - dress socks work too. If you have the right shell size, the liner will be tight before you thermo form it. Try on the liner outside the boot. It should be tight and your toes should be right at the end. Basically the boot fit and liner fit should be tight and borderline uncomfortable with the right size boot before you thermo form them.

There is a lot more on that website that you should probably read.
Note that he says to use a very thin sock. I now use very thin walking socks for skiing, NOT hiking socks. You do not need any extra thermal insulation and you certainly do not need any compressible cushion from hiking socks because that defeats the purpose of the thermofit liner. I sized my first boots using hiking socks and I will never do that again.
Note that he says the liner will be tight before you fit it. The new thermofit liners will compensate for a huge variation in foot shapes, e.g. foot volume, width, high arch, etc.
I did not have to thermo form the liners on my T2 Ecos. The warmth of my feet and the softness of the foam gave me a perfect fit after my first day of skiing, however, some people do find that they need to thermo form the liners to make the foam conform more quickly to the shape of their feet.

When you put the boots on, the first thing to do is to tighten the power strap as snug as you can get it. Then find a tooth that provides between zero and the tiniest bit of pressure for the toe and ankle buckles. Then tighten the instep wires with something between zero and the tiniest amount of pressure. Then do a run down a green slope and see if it feels as though your foot is moving around, e.g. does you heel lift inside the boot. Then make single tooth adjustments until you find a setting that holds your foot securely so that it does not move around. With a thermofit liner you do not need to crank down on the pressure at all; that will just impede the blood circulation in your feet and they well get cold and cramp up.

If you have a 30 shell and you measured your foot at 27.5 cm it is quite possible that the shell is too large. However, it is extremely difficult to measure your own feet with a ruler, so your 27.5 cm could easily be off. I was off by 1 cm when I thought I had done an accurate measurement with a ruler. Standing in bare feet on a shoe measuring platform with a heel cup to slide your foot back against and having someone else adjust the toe piece and read the scale while you remain standing upright is the only accurate way. Any shoe store will have one of the platforms for measuring your foot length.

Another website you should look at is http://modernskiracing.com/Size.php

I absolutely love my T2 Ecos. You have made a good choice for your first boot. I wish I had known all of this back when I bought my first ski boots. Im sure you will be very happy with them after you get them fitted.
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Re: Scarpa T2 Eco/boot fit question

Post by dnt_upton » Sun May 08, 2016 3:26 pm

Glad to hear you're almost there. Bootfitting is the key to happy days.
2fifty6 wrote:How much adjustment does heat molding make possible? Can the liner be compacted a fair amount in places where more room is needed?
In my experience, molding the liner will snug up the fit between your foot and the liner, removing any empty/dead areas that may be annoying, esp. as you glide/walk. I am not sure exactly what you mean by compacting for more room. Compacting the liner takes away room, so I must be missing something.

The nice thing about tele is that you don't cinch down the buckles to squeeze every last drop of movement from your system (as alpine skiers tend to do). I cinch mine down for increased stiffness but comfort (and steady blood flow) always comes first.



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